In post 2975, Iecerint wrote:BRO's argument is more than Dyrus's passivity leads his opponents to be able to farm more safely.
As a result, Dyrus might have the most GPM on average across all games, but his opponent top-laner could still always has more GPM than him
while they're playing against him
.
I do not know if it's true irl, but it's possible that the numbers could go that way in a hypothetical situation.
This.
Dyrus has both high gpm and enemy top laner gpm because of how he plays. The fact that his gpm is the highest of all tops is a function of playstyle, not skill
Although one thing the article doesn't account for is jungle pressure on the lane. I'd suspect that more aggressive top laners (Quas, Zion) saw a lot more junglers setting up tents in top lane than Dyrus did (even though camping Dyrus is really strong vs. TSM, you have to be able to do that while keeping Bjergsen and Turtle in check, and Turtle is also super campable)
Now that everybody has come down a little, lets be fair here, there's only one match on paper that's impressive and TSM did peak there (the game vs cj). Other than that, they beat the shitty LPL team with 2 new players 4 times, went 2-1 to a top GPL team. For both the CJ game and the title entirely, that's just one swallow.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
Hell, I hate Tsm but watching these games, they played really well and all deserves to win that championship. Saying there was no valid competition isn't their fault and shouldn't lessen the victory. They still consistently beat everyone
In post 2982, mykonian wrote:Now that everybody has come down a little, lets be fair here, there's only one match on paper that's impressive and TSM did peak there (the game vs cj). Other than that, they beat the shitty LPL team with 2 new players 4 times, went 2-1 to a top GPL team. For both the CJ game and the title entirely, that's just one swallow.
The shitty LPL team that beat the best team in Korea.
I mean, talk all you want about how GE Tigers were cocky and over confident, they're still the best team in Korea up against "the shitty LPL team with 2 new players". Any argument that talks about the "quality of opponent" needs to mention that tidbit.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
13 heads and counting now, plurality is adaptive. If our experience might help you,
In post 2987, mykonian wrote:Doesn't really matter how you explain it, I think, but what we saw from the GET wasn't what they showed domestically.
Would you really want to call WE better than GET off one best of 3?
If you're trying to say that GET was less motivated to perform on an international stage than in their own league, I'd like to draw your attention to the well documented evidence showing that Korean teams are mocked for losing in international tournaments to non-Korean teams, and also the interview GET had before the event that had them quoted as saying "We look forward to playing CJ Entus in the finals".
Were they cocky? Yep. Is WE a better team on the whole due to one series? No. Does this victory mean something meaningful? Absolutely. Not for one second do I believe that just because a Korean team got cocky and scrubbed out (Samsung Ozone) that they weren't still playing at an insanely high level. Takes nothing away from WE OR TSM.
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In post 2981, BROseidon wrote:Although one thing the article doesn't account for is jungle pressure on the lane. I'd suspect that more aggressive top laners (Quas, Zion) saw a lot more junglers setting up tents in top lane than Dyrus did (even though camping Dyrus is really strong vs. TSM, you have to be able to do that while keeping Bjergsen and Turtle in check, and Turtle is also super campable)
In the translated Chinese commentary of the TSM/WE match, my favorite comment was someone who said "Dyrus is a friend of China! We can do this!" during
China will probably take worlds this year. Korean LoL dominance is over as long as Korean orgs continue to operate the way they do. Korea will still churn out immense talent, but its stars will keep leaving for china/na/eu
Also international orgs are better figuring out how to evaluate Korean players. The immense success of lustboy, reignover, huni, ryu, etc in the right orgs is really important. Hell, even Fenix is playing great and Horo is MYM's strongest performer. The Seraphs are progressively becoming exceptions
In post 2981, BROseidon wrote:Although one thing the article doesn't account for is jungle pressure on the lane. I'd suspect that more aggressive top laners (Quas, Zion) saw a lot more junglers setting up tents in top lane than Dyrus did (even though camping Dyrus is really strong vs. TSM, you have to be able to do that while keeping Bjergsen and Turtle in check, and Turtle is also super campable)
In the translated Chinese commentary of the TSM/WE match, my favorite comment was someone who said "Dyrus is a friend of China! We can do this!" during
game 2.
Lolol.
Beating TSM is hard right now because you need to stomp dyrus or turtle into the ground while not letting bjergsen run away with the game. Not a lot of teams have the individual talent to do that - it's why TSM is top 2 in NA and why I think only 3 EU teams (SK, fnatic, and h2k) can really keep up.
SK is gonna be scary if they can fix their core issues. This tourney did a great job exposing a lot of their weaknesses, and I think that forgiven in particular is going to be quick to fix them. The part about forgiven that's scary isn't his raw talent, but his drive. The guy refuses not to get better with every game.
1) Vision
2) Teams dependence on playing bully comps because of Forgiven's champ pool. Forgiven needs to add a midgame spike champ (Corki or trist) and an endgame carry (koggles) to his champ pool before worlds.
