New York 182 - Game Over

[Antihero]

Antihero,
You can't think I would be on the same scum team as sakura since she tried to turn everything I said into a scum thing because she thought I was a newbie and maybe an easy lynch? So why are you doing the same thing as her?

check out that touhou game i linked

there's a precedence

[Antihero]

My case on you is the previous post to the one you are trying to disprove and it's based on the way you pushed Varsoon yesterday, the way Sakura tried to push me off of my scum read of you and the mysterious confirmed town read she gave when some momentum was gathering behind your wagon.

i will also point you to the touhou game and dark age of the law

the only time SAKURA has seen me be scum are when i lurkaderp so whenever she's scum against me as town, she's obligated to town read me for posting.

it cuts both ways.

what was wrong with the way i pushed varsoon?

[elusive]

There's also of course the fact that Thor projected himself as having the most mafia experience of all players in the game so the expectations are quite high.

Antihero,
Or explain in shortcut? Is that game referring to your playstyle or Sakura? Why should I care about another game when you are basically doing the same thing proven scum did and so the burden is on you to justify it?

[Antihero]

Antihero,
Or explain in shortcut? Is that game referring to your playstyle or Sakura? Why should I care about another game when you are basically doing the same thing proven scum did and so the burden is on you to justify it?

the only reason i'm bringing up meta is because it's the linchpin of copper's case

yours is that i'm being an asshole, and... i don't have anything for that.

[copper223]

@Anti
You started with:

There is no Hated in normal setups because the nrg has a stick up it's ass and it would never allow it, so Varsoo

lied so he must be mafia

, let's vote and lynch.

Then after I in particular pointed out that I was reading it as a fakeclaim as well but it could have been a town panic attack and after the wagon stalls you jump off of it using the same logic.

But after it picks up again thanks to Thor and Sakura you get back onto it.

Those transitions don't look natural to me, especially if as you claimed you thought I was scum when I was about to replace out, which means you would have been more likely to discount my take on the Varsoon claim.

[Antihero]

don't flatter yourself. i jumped off after varsoon's admission, not your post that it was town fakeclaiming which was WAY before he 'fessed up.

getting back on the wagon had more to do with just going ahead and getting on with the game once people started dropping like flies. i just thought it would be the healthiest thing for the gamestate and i even said so.

[copper223]

the argument is pretty simple

varsoon claims hated --> hated isn't a normal role --> varsoon lied --> varsoon's lied BECAUSE he's scum

i backed out because of the arrow between the 3rd and 4th links. i've played w/ scum varsoon and town varsoon before and lying about being hated is something i could conceivably see him doing as town and actually admitting to lying is something that i really don't see him doing as scum. i wouldn't put it COMPLETELY beyond the pale, but there's reasonable doubts now.

it wasn't just a little bitty thing that i was nitpicking at. it goes to the core of varsoon's alignment. lying about a role claim isn't just something you ignore and setup spec is part of how i scumhunt and part of what i do simply because i've run and reviewed so many games.

Well if anything I flatter your ability when your argument is I should just consider you bad at this if you are town (to reply in kind), why would you have a scumread on me after I say I think Varsoon is fakeclaiming as town, something you believe is possible as of 549?

The two sentences you brought up about Thor and Gorkinton and which you did not bother to follow up on after I replied and asked you some quetsions about them, other than to nake vote me later on, were really not convincing.

[Antihero]

so the premise of the argument is that if i agree with you on anything, i should townread you

that's fucking bananas

[Thor665]

Sakura was hunting from his wagon. I dont think theyre onthe same team

Why would that be suggested by her hunting on his wagon?

Too obvious, Sakura too good, Anti got too volitile, and too much towncreds to be won by defending him fromb ig bad ol' pkop.

I totally fail to follow what you're saying there.
Rephrase?

Thor, still got my eye on you. What have you done this game that is town side in some pro way?

I made the case you're blind sheeping while calling me scum?

He made a terribly bad case against choof

I did?
Quote it.
Liar.

[copper223]

The premise is you are pushing on what you believe to be easy mislynches.

- The first was Varsoon and you jumped onto him when he fakeclaimed, jumped off when the wagon stalled, jumped back up when it picked up again, this is an objective fact.

- The second was Pisskop, a player I was also scumreading before, so this is the second instance we read the game the same way, he was being scumread by quite a few players including Sakura, your likely teammate, your argument here was based on how his playstile was attacking you instead of your arguments, something I have seen both town and scum do, so once again it looks like a policy lynch masked behind a scumread.

- The third was calling my slot scum when you thought there was nobody there to reply to that read, as I said I find this significant because there were prior instances of the two of us appearing to be reading the game the same way, something that usually leads to a townread. When pressed your case on me was a joke, you did not bother to reply to me after I replied to it, proceeded to lurk for the rest of the day or post nonsense like that post to Pisskop or nake voting me.

[Antihero]

you seem to think i'm following you a lot more closely than i actually am

you're also building your argument from the starting point that i'm scum and going in circles

[copper223]

Ah yes, you also joined that joke lynch on flames.

[Antihero]

when did you suspect pisskop ever?

[Antihero]

Ah yes, you also joined that joke lynch on flames.

oh like he wasn't getting lynched

[copper223]

you seem to think i'm following you a lot more closely than i actually am

you're also building your argument from the starting point that i'm scum and going in circles

So you naked voted me but were not following me closely? That's very townie of you, not, it looks as if "gasp" you don't need to make sure of my alignment because that's not the main objective for you.

[Antihero]

"make sure of your alignment"??????????

lol?

[copper223]

Pisskop, good place to start looking for scum, what you've tried to do with choof is keep both alignments on the table instead of giving your opinion about which one is more likely and I am not a fan.

VOTE: Pisskop

[Antihero]

now i'm going to hear a bunch of buzzwords about "interaction" aren't i?

[Antihero]

you seem to think i'm following you a lot more closely than i actually am

[copper223]

"make sure of your alignment"??????????

lol?

I usually try to be as certain as possible that I am right on my scumreads when I am town, which means interacting with them, I don't just push on players when their slot is absent, reply with 2 sentences when they ask what the case on them was, then not bother to reply, nake vote them only to say after I was not following in them closely

[Antihero]

RIGHT BECAUSE I AM THE SAME AS YOU

i make a list, check it twice, and vote those naughty motherfuckers

[Antihero]

oh you're pissed that i didn't do a chunky case?
sorry. that's not what you're going to get. i also didn't see much of a point in responding and spent that time doing other things besides this game. and it was time better spent.

hell, i feel like i'm wasting time right now. why am i even talking to you? you already know everything about my meta apparently and won't stop to even think about it for a second because you're pissed i "naked voted" (that needs to stop being a term, btw) you.

[copper223]

Everyone is the same in this, you can't decide how to vote if you don't interact with someone or you quote some other interactions between 2 playerse you also found indicative as your reason, you can't convince the rest of us to vote for that player either if you don't talk about it so your vote would just sit there and be useless to boot, the fact you have played this game long enough means I can assume you have learnt this basic principle, without needing a mirror.

[Antihero]

you can't decide how to vote if you don't interact with someone or you quote some other interactions between 2 playerse you also found indicative as your reason

/shrug
i do it all the time

everyone is not the same in this

[copper223]

Congratz, I don't think you are likely scum anymore.

VOTE: Otolia