Open 35: Big Love - Game over!

[Sir Tornado]

NabNab and I are setting the record for the largest number of times two players have been accused of being scumbuddies in a week.

Sure, I'll help: You and NabNab are obviously the scum!

Personally I thought darko's suggestion to vote for xyzzy was either a decent joke, or a random idea that could have interesting results.

unvote:xyzzy vote"NabakovNabakov"

but not for his actions.

Well, if you aren't voting NabNab for his actions then for what?! Are you trying to set a record for the number of times one player has voted for another in a week too?

Mod: What happens if the last two players left is the lover pair including the mafia lover?

I admit that I never considered that possibility until I read Zindaras's idea.

That is unlikely to happen. If we have 3 people left (the pair including the treacherous pair and a townie) then the treacherous pair can simply claim and one of them would be lynched, killing the other and getting the town victory. The only way for this to actually happen is if we have all the 3 pairs left, one of them gets lynched, and the other NKed. But, that is still statistically impossible.

Does that suggest that she could be the mafia lover?

Well, that accusation sounds like accusing just for the sake of accusing. You seem to be as much interested in knowing the answer as Zindy is.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Adel (1): pickemgenius
JordanA24 (1): Zindaras
pickemgenius (2): Erg0, Numenorean7
Darko (6): Sarcastro, YoghurtBandit, NabakovNabakov, FeRnAnDo, somestrangeflea, Guardian
NabakovNabakov (1): Adel

Not voting (8): Xdaamno, xyzzy, Sacred, Honary Hitchhiker, darko, JordanA24, ryan, Sir Tornado

With 19 alive, it's 10 to lynch.

[Xdaamno]

EBWOP: Though neither of them are worthy of a lynch, I say keep the bandwagon until we get a good reaction. We're not exactly in danger of a lynch.

[Adel]

I don't think the lovers should claim at all, no matter what, until the odds of lovers being scum are greater than the odds of vanilla townies being scum.

I think the lovers should claim, until the odds of lovers being scum are greater than the odds of vanilla townies being scum, then everyone should refuse to claim.

[somestrangeflea]

BTW, the darko wagon is long enough. It is time for y'all to get off and move on.

WAIT! Adel says that the Darko wagon is too long, so we all have to unvote now, and apologise to Darko...

Please don't try to hijack our votes...

[Sir Tornado]

Hmm, lots of posting.

Off the top of my head, I don't like Darko's post as Sarc pointed out and Sarc himself for being too tense early on, but there's a few other things I'll mention when I get the chance.

How do you mean by Sarc being too tense? Well, I would have behaved more or less similarly if I saw anyone being on the chopping block just because he was on a vacation! And, I know that xyzzy was no where near to being lynched, but I still do not understand the rationale behind that bandwagon. I mean, generally, bandwagons are started to put someone under pressure and make him post. Are you going to "put him under pressure" for something like 14 days?

[Guardian]

Adel, darko, Sir Tornado as scum, anyone?

Adel for the overeagerness and such and darko for horrible ideas.

If darko is scum, both Adel and Sir Tornado defended him. Classic.

[somestrangeflea]

Hmm, lots of posting.

Off the top of my head, I don't like Darko's post as Sarc pointed out and Sarc himself for being too tense early on, but there's a few other things I'll mention when I get the chance.

How do you mean by Sarc being too tense? Well, I would have behaved more or less similarly if I saw anyone being on the chopping block just because he was on a vacation! And, I know that xyzzy was no where near to being lynched, but I still do not understand the rationale behind that bandwagon. I mean, generally, bandwagons are started to put someone under pressure and make him post. Are you going to "put him under pressure" for something like 14 days?

QFT

[somestrangeflea]

Adel, darko, Sir Tornado as scum, anyone?

Maybe, yes, and no, in that order.

(And by "no", I mean "maybe")

[Sir Tornado]

Adel, darko, Sir Tornado as scum, anyone?

Adel for the overeagerness and such and darko for horrible ideas.

If darko is scum, both Adel and Sir Tornado defended him. Classic.

Oooooh! I defended Darko! Wow, that's news to me!

Please tell me where, and I'll check if I have an alternate personality which is posting stuff I can't remember posting.

[Guardian]

Post 93

Sir Tornado, this is not exactly a defense, but this is what I meant -- you unvote him and FoS him -- it doesn't make sense to me.

[Sir Tornado]

I unvoted him because I am not a fan of quick lynches especially early on in the game.

[somestrangeflea]

I'm going to have to side with ST on this one. Post 93 wasn't even close to a defense. It was the prevention of a page 4 lynch which no-one wants anyway.

Well, you might...

[Sir Tornado]

Adel, darko, Sir Tornado as scum, anyone?

Adel for the overeagerness and such and darko for horrible ideas.

If darko is scum, both Adel and Sir Tornado defended him. Classic.

Oooooh! I defended Darko! Wow, that's news to me!

Please tell me where, and I'll check if I have an alternate personality which is posting stuff I can't remember posting.

BTW, I think I should have put a or after that post. It wasn't meant to be nearly as vicious as it sounds...

[Zindaras]

I'm not sure about Zindaras's idea about lovers outing themselves.

I'm not saying we should do it now. I'm not saying we should do it any time. I'm saying it's a possible plan to enact later on.

Does that suggest that she could be the mafia lover?

Huh?

I agree with Jordan and STRONGLY disagree with Zindy about lovers claiming. See my post on what I think -- basically I don't think lovers should claim in pairs, it only helps scum NK them .

We can even manipulate the situation into one that is better for us by having Lovers that are suspicious of their partners claim instead of just all Lovers, or just one Lover pair at a time,

or only one of the two Lovers

(which gives the Doc a better shot at protecting people). The moment one pair dies, this situation simply becomes a really good one. At that point, there's a 50% chance to lynch the scumbag from the Lovers and a way lower chance to lynch the scumbag from the others.

Post 80. At least read the thread before going on wild claims.

Then either the game results in a draw, or nobody wins (depending on if they want to lynch or not, and if the treacherous lover will nightkill or not). This situation is not very likely, so it's ok you didn't think of it (I didn't think of it either).

Uhh, I'd say it would just be a draw. No lynch would draw, and lynch would draw as well, seeing how then everyone is dead.

I don't think the lovers should claim at all, no matter what, until the odds of lovers being scum are greater than the odds of vanilla townies being scum.

I think that lovers who are close to a lynch should claim lovers, but not their fellow lover. At the very least as long as the Doc is alive and we have no other outed lovers. If the Doc is dead or there are other outed lovers, it might be a better idea to claim townie, even though that goes in against lying policies.

BTW, the darko wagon is long enough. It is time for y'all to get off and move on.

So you believe darko to be town?

Adel, darko, Sir Tornado as scum, anyone?

No.

Adel for the overeagerness and such

"Overeagerness and such."

I see your case is very logical and based on a thorough analysis of Adel's posting.

and darko for horrible ideas.

So you're the kind of guy who would lynch newbies suggesting no lynch every single time?

Well, let's see about the case for Sir Tornado next.

...

Well, I see that's a very good one as well.

If darko is scum, both Adel and Sir Tornado defended him. Classic.

Uh-huh. You know what's classic? Your and Nabakov's move onto darko. Once the pressure heaps on darko, you happily jump on him. Especially your move here I find very scummy. Far into the wagon, classic time for scum to jump on.

Post 93

Sir Tornado, this is not exactly a defense, but this is what I meant -- you unvote him and FoS him -- it doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, here we get the amazing case on Tornado. An unvote and a FoS! How suspicious!

How, exactly, is getting off a wagon that's developing too fast for your liking scummy?

Unvote

Jordan answered my points nicely enough, and I've already found someone else to lovingly vote.

Vote: Guardian

His switch onto darko was even scummier than Nab's. His call for darko's blood is pure, unfettered bandwagon. He also proceeds to call people who have both expressed that they feel the darko-wagon is going too fast scum. All in all, Guardian is pushing a darko-wagon very heavily, not only by pushing it himself, but also calling people who don't want to speedlynch him scum, all based on very bad reasoning. I've also noted that the people he calls scum, Adel and Tornado, both FoSed or voted Nabakov, which implies a possible link between the two.

[somestrangeflea]

Zindy wins the thread.

Unvote
Vote: Guardian

1. I feel the Darko wagon has ground to a halt.
2. Guardian's recent behaviour, which basically involves the use of CrapLogic™.

[somestrangeflea]

Those numbered points were supposed to be

reasons

BTW...

[JordanA24]

I think that lovers who are close to a lynch should claim lovers, but not their fellow lover. At the very least as long as the Doc is alive and we have no other outed lovers. If the Doc is dead or there are other outed lovers, it might be a better idea to claim townie, even though that goes in against lying policies.

QFT

[Guardian]

I said that before you said it. I assumed you would reference me in some way if you were just rehashing what I said. I may have misread you, in this case. .

[JordanA24]

Original Roll String: 1d15

1 15-Sided Dice: (13) = 13

[JordanA24]

Sorry, guys, I meant to hit preview with that last post, I was just randomly deciding something.

[Guardian]

you have nothing better to go on than a random vote at this point?

[Guardian]

ah. I jumped the gun I guess .

[Guardian]

Wait, now I'm curious. Why are there 15 sides to the die? I want to know, now .

[somestrangeflea]

Maybe he wasn't deciding who to vote for. Maybe he was deciding... who to NK!

19 players - 4 scum = 15 sided dice!

Epic fail!

[Guardian]

ssf, why did you have to post that? That's along the lines of what I was thinking, but I would have loved to see his explanation without being able to explicitly deny that it was something him being scum related.....