New York 182 - Game Over

[Thor665]

hi marquis talk about Anti being town more kthnx.
His dodgy response to Thor seems normal to you?

I would say specifically the "big picture" and the "not a case" and the "not till the middle of your Iso" comments.

[Gorkington]

@droog, it makes sense to you, but you're voting for copper.
*scratches head*

Scratch that. I'm dumb.
I'm still baffled at the copper vote though.

[mnemonicdevice]

what are you doing
that you can watch the thread
and respond faster than the time it took me
to write that post

eh i could bitch more but youve got a fair point
i dont like marquise
zzzx is pinging a few bells
these two especially for being the sort of

whooro

players who arent saying a lot
and are being just coy in the thread

These.

[mnemonicdevice]

Hello all.
So, I'm on

page 8 so far[color], and here are my initial thoughts, just from those pages:

Antihero leans somewhat scum
[/bTheFuzzy/Choof leans very slightly scum, even after looking past the "I'm a noob, I don't understand" claim
Gorkington reads town to me

Kitten/Droog I can't read. Either noob town, or bad mafia

Marquis r

eads town to me

Seohyun, with her one informative post up to that point, leans somewhat scum

Thor I have no idea how to read.

V

arsoon seems slightly town, but I can't tell because of the early wagon placed up

on him.

Working on getting caught up, will give more reads later.

Ok, on page 30

, and my reads on everyone are:
Albert/Notscience- Not enough posts at this point, leaning slightly town from Notscience's first couple posts though

Antihero- I can't read him. I'm thinking town tho

Boonskiis- No posts.
Choof/TheFuzzy- No read.
Copper- He reads town, his analysis and playstyle this game feels town to me
Elusive- SCUM. Nearly all of his posts up to that point feel scummy to me.
Flubber- No read, feels like lurking via fluff, although a couple content posts
Gorkington- A strong town read for this one
House- His playstyle confuses me, but I'm leaning scum

Kitten/Droog- Got a noob town read from Kitten's posts

Marquis-

Not enough posts for me to be conclusive here

OkaPoka- Slight scum read
Pisskop- Slightly scummy, but not sure
Seohyun- So much lurk.

Thor665- I get a helpful town read on him

Varsoon- Ugh. I feel scum, but then his play after "Not actually hated, just wanted to survive. plz dont hurt me" reads town

ZZZX- Slight town read, from his few posts so far.

for now, VOTE: Elusive

bolded the interseting read changed
of note

thor was 'no idea how to read' but became 'helpful town'
marquis was 'reads town' but becoems 'not enough posts'
i was town / noob scum but the noob scum part is dropped.
all based on kitten's posts. nothin i did. what changed?
anti and varsoon change without reason

lemme change the color of the part you are missing here...

[mnemonicdevice]

Why is elusive on your 'would lynch' list then?

there wasn't any head whispering on that one

So is this like a gut feel?

[Marquis]

UNVOTE: Not Science
I am not sure if I am just doing a crappy job of making a case for NS scum or if if people are just ignoring me. Prob just sucking

I was going to vote Anti but some of MD recent comments made me rethink him as possible scum.I could see me voting either one .
I still want to lynch NS but I know at this point he going to survive another day.

i could move you down a tier on my reads list if it makes you feel any better

or you could vote md instead

pedit i know you're supposedly an alt, but if you're as experienced as you seem to be hinting you are, you should have played with or seen anti play at least once before. and i wouldn't bother explaining it normally but people lynching him is actually somehow a potential issue here so lol fuck, fine.

it's something i've been saying literally the whole Day with a capital D but there is a huge huge huge difference in anti's town and scum metas that has not once failed me in at least 10 games iirc, and it's one he doesn't seem capable of overcoming after all this time (sorry anti but you haven't proved me wrong so too bad) so there's only a decent chance it might break his meta after this, but anti is almost completely incapable of being active, sounding emotionally invested and genuine, and acting consistently snarky as scum - those are all hallmarks of his towngame, and things that are clear in his day 1 play and in sections of his play today when he hasn't been inactive (which is a sitewide thing and shouldn't affect my meta read - i'll admit i was starting to get worried but then when he got back online and started talking back to thor i was like lolok sorry for doubting that there).

not to mention anti's reads get progressively better further down the line so even if u want to ignore my experience with him just like. step off yo. let him breathe for a day.

i just really don't think he's scum and i really do think this wagon on him is trashy and filled with people who don't know him (or in flubber's case from a few posts ago might actually be ignoring it, might move that down a tier) or relating to sakura-scum, don't know how much he likes having friends and not being seen as a dick. so if you would be so kind as to turn away from that and help me lynch actual scum that'd be pretty dang great

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Vote Anti

out of MD and Anti he is more likely scum

Marquis interaction is really striking me wrong. His reads seems forced. He doesnt have good reasons for why certain for placing alot of people in the slot they are in . Also I really want him to explain what exactly about Antis actions he sees as being his town Meta.Also he just ignored my questions about the NS case I made, I am also not liking his interaction with some of the other players. Also why am I a okay lynch.

Ika...you need to explain your bad naked vote against me.

Lastly NS tell us why you were buddy buddy with someone you were scum reading. Bc we are friends is not an acceptable answer as you should know better.

[Marquis]

Why is elusive on your 'would lynch' list then?

there wasn't any head whispering on that one

So is this like a gut feel?

if you're trying to use this as a way to try and discredit my unrelated scumread on you which i think is what's happening, then no. it's not about gut; it's about not caring more than i don't care about pisskop because there is a specific other player that is occupying the forefront of my deathvision

[Gorkington]

Fuzzy.
Use your words.
Why is Anti>MD?
Why are you talking more about Marquis's read on him than about Anti himself? That's just gross.

[Gorkington]

Everyone in this game is scum.
Calling it now.

[Marquis]

Also why am I a okay lynch.

i still don't know what to think of you, but i do think it would have been alright if you had just cut out the rest of your post and put this at the top. because the way you keep referring back to that makes me pretty sure all your other reasons are like little cardboard cutouts that you're using to hide this one real worry of yours with

[mnemonicdevice]

UNVOTE: Not Science
I am not sure if I am just doing a crappy job of making a case for NS scum or if if people are just ignoring me. Prob just sucking

I was going to vote Anti but some of MD recent comments made me rethink him as possible scum.I could see me voting either one .
I still want to lynch NS but I know at this point he going to survive another day.

So because you are unsure between the two of us, you aren't going to put your vote on either wagon?

Pedit: oh, so you did

@Marquis nope, I just wanted to know what the phrase "head whispering" meant, because I had never heard that phrase before.

Post-Pedit: @Gork- Thanks for the scumslip.

TRIPLE NINJA'D WHY

[Gorkington]

I really don't read Anti's latest exchanges with Thor as being genuine. Or at least they're not as invested/snarky as you seem to be implying @marquis.

Thanks for the scumslip.

You're welcome. Let me make it more explicit for when you want to vote me later: I'm the cultist leader.

[Marquis]

Why are you talking more about Marquis's read on him than about Anti himself? That's just gross.

actually scratch the top of my last post, thinking about how to word it had me thinking now that he's likely scum who 1) is trying to save md and using anti as an excuse to do so and 2) using a bad excuse at that since he seems to be more motivated by what he sees as me scumreading him rather than any actual opinion on anti

or in other words self-absorbed scum who's acting based on an unrelated read but trying to hide it

(normally this kind of reasoning would never fly with me but the only other scumgame of fuzzy's i know of, he literally claimed scum by accident then admitted it and selfvoted instead of fighting back, so i don't exactly have the highest opinion of his scumgame)

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Gork... I am always town. Well except the three time I was scum.

I am liking Anti over MD as I am liking the connection to Confscum Sakura. I do want to relook at Anti to sed if what Marquis said about him unable to fake interest and emotion as scum.

I dread a post from NS. He is slowly making me become a cat person

[Marquis]

well let's go back to his recent burst of posts (something that i can't remember seeing in an anti scumgame either, "either" not meaning that i just don't remember the other things but that just post bursting is at the least a rare thing if it happens at all in his scumgame)

thor has done an awesome job of sinking this game into apathy with walls more than fuzzy or ns could ever hope to with lurking

no, i don't think it means you're scum

i'm noting that you past the point of diminishing returns a while ago.

What do you think o fmy case on you - which you have not addressed yet?

if it's based on me+sakura, i would like to direct YOU to touhou as well.

What do you think of the wagon on you and its growth and growing verbal support in the late day phase?

seeing as no one is actually doing anything, i think you're exaggerating this point.

Why do/did you scumread me?

the. walls. are. crap.

you know what i had to do to find your "case" on me? go to your iso, control+f my name and it showed up about halfway through. you've dragged this game into "let's argue over semantics and bullshit" mode instead of looking at the big picture and that's a LOT more scum motivated than town.

He does

argue this is like quilford's small town

straight face required whole way

go

What will I find there that will change my mind?

if you're basing the argument off of sakura+i interactions, the interactions in that game were exactly the same and i was town and she was scum.
so, it undermines that argument.

The wagon on you has gained all of the recent votes (2-3) and also has had two additional people suggest willingness to vote you within the past 24 hours.

yeah, let's not pretend this is anything other than motivated by apathy

What big picture do you think I'm overlooking right now?

well a legit, readable case on the person you're voting is a start.

Sakura's buddy interaction and skipping over you.

i'm not sure which universe that qualifies as a "case"

this one is not it

YOU LITERALLY JUST SAW MY SCUMGAME HOW IS THAT AN INTERESTING REACTION?

jeez... people

also, how many heartless games have you been in flubber?

i feel like... most of them.

why are you playing dumb?

oh look

the sass

it's

dripping

down

my

face

[Marquis]

(and guess what? i'm actually

not

being sarcastic at all)

[Gorkington]

Zzzz.
And you're seriously convinced that he isn't faking snark like that here? Enough that you'd be willing to pass him up in a LyLo situation if that's what we were in?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Marquis
I dont know what you talking about .. my scum stratergy is perfect. Play decent on the first few days than say something extremly stupid thus getting myself lynched and watch as my scum buddies somehow pull out the win. I am the greatest scum ever.

as oppose to my town game which is correctly scum read someone. Think I am a stupid moron thus town reac them..get lynched/ nk and realize that I was dumb for not sticking with my intints.

Hmm vote someone so you can put me lower on your terrible read list. I think I will pass

[Thor665]

@Marquis - I found Mini 1646 as an Anti scum game and...don't really see the difference.

Also, he assuredly hasn't done a sass wall like what you posted here in this game unless I'm really missing it - maybe the attack on Varsoon? With a bit of a squint?

Do you have any scum games that you feel showcase the difference in his play to show me? Maybe one where you accurately pegged him with this tell?

[Marquis]

when i say there's a huge difference, i mean it. there is a massive disconnect between town and scum anti. scum anti sounds like a 6th grader trying to quote a diss he heard in a r-rated movie he supposedly watched last night but keeps fucking up the lines. and this anti is genuine and on point.

also really hard to believe that he'd be faking it this well to me, much less even try to fake it when i'm the only one who's that familiar with all sides of his playstyle and that he'd be able to convince. in fact it'd only be worth it for him to even attempt faking it if people like mollie and etl were around. to be blunt, a random large normal with just me wouldn't be

that

important.

it's annoying that i have to keep doing this because the usual other players who can id town anti aren't around but i really don't see how you can scumreading him so strongly if you're not willing to at the very least compromise and give him a day or a cop clear.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Marquix
What do you make of the case of Thor dealing with him and Sakur???

Also Thor can you post a link to that game

[Marquis]

i'm tired of saying the same things over and over again. i'm out of the thread for the rest of the night.

also anti if you're reading i'm fucking spilling blood for you so thank you but also fuck you if that last theory's wrong

[Gorkington]

VOTE: mnemonicdevice
Let's get a claim.

I'm going to be mad at you if you're town and you defended scum this hard Marquis >:(

[TheFuzzylogic99]

The cop is dead dude...he got killed . The leader of the mob was NS.

the last post of Marq is reading frustrated town. I am thinking Marq might be town.