i tried explaining it but i think i will just reiterate that it's pretty esoteric to me
i'm not saying that they're in the same team or anything
they just have the same place in my head when i think about them and this game
You're impressed that I read your post? :S
you know a little less about what the clumps mean than i do but we both homed in on the same tension
i really do apologize for making the clumps now though it's pretty close to meaningless
i understand the virtue of Llamarble and CES's early game procedure
but at the moment it all seems rather mechanical
there's nothing to read in it
tth is more town than scum for following up on my gasp
ika is so ika and i'm very unhappy about that but ambivalent about the thing that matters
aero, oversoul, zach are all in the same bunch in my head
reg and elk in another
llamarble and ces in a third
someone will ask what the bunches mean!
please know that i'm not sure
none are quite town or scumreads, though
Honestly the way you're processing the game sounds like scum figuring out what everyone is doing so they can decide how to play rather than town figuring out who is scum.
In post 104, TellTaleHeart wrote:ika, you kind of already subverted the gambit by saying it so let's not pretend there's some deep dark secret here, 'kay?
But there is TTH.
But lets be real here: whats your read list right now? cus im already disapoint form you
In post 74, theelkspeaks wrote:Might just be a playstyle thing, might be from playing on another (non-mafia but having mafia games) site with different rules and a meta resulting from that, but I tend to think a quickly building wagon without a solid case, especially at the start of an early day, probably has at least one scum. Don't have good rules for identifying which of the votes is the scum though.
Why would you need rules? Can't you just look at the votes and see if any of them seem off or scummy (e.g. Cheery Dog or from your perspective maybe Bluetoffee)?
In post 79, Llamarble wrote:but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet.
Were you expecting us to?
What I mean by not having rules is that I don't have a fixed method (3rd vote, 4th vote, etc. is always scum) but rather have to look at the individual votes.
In post 84, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:64 - Correct Psyche, I was more interested in trying to get you to join the ika wagon.
67 - I just know you're gonna elaborate on this, Zach.
68 - This post is pretty bad by elk. Who is suspicious on the ika wagon? Why?
If you don't like the wagon, why are not inquiring about the people on it?
VOTE: Elk
83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.
I feel like the wagon itself grew suspiciously fast but I'm still trying to figure out who was responsible for it.
As for the meta/gamerules thing, what I meant is that I play some mafia on elementscommunity (a non-mafia site with some mafia games), which has 72 hour days, plurality lynches, lynches being finalized at deadline and not whenever a player reaches majority, and significant player tendency to pile on players who are already getting lynched. This play may have made me overly suspicious of fast wagons, so I think that oversoul's attempt to start token WIFOM is worse (since knowledge of my own biases against early wagons makes me hesitant to dive too hard into that wagon, at least for now).
In post 110, Psyche wrote:i don't really understand what you mean by that llama
Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.
In post 110, Psyche wrote:i don't really understand what you mean by that llama
Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.
I actually disagree with that. As town, I find I need to understand where the game as a whole is going before I can see who looks scummy. As scum, I'd prefer to try to see how far I can push a player than to understand the game as a whole.
Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.
In post 116, Llamarble wrote:Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.
Getting to Cheery in a second, but the problem with the ika votes is that none of them look especially bad to me, so I'm considering the ika-voting players more closely and trying to get more to read them on.
In post 115, theelkspeaks wrote:
I actually disagree with that. As town, I find I need to understand where the game as a whole is going before I can see who looks scummy. As scum, I'd prefer to try to see how far I can push a player than to understand the game as a whole.
Can you link me a game where you did this as scum?
ISO #s
0) standard RVS, nothing special
1) calls reads good that include a scum-read on him. Kinda awkward, maybe trying too hard to be town (scum would never agree with a read on them, would they? is the logic he's hoping for if he is scum)
2) contributes to token WIFOM but others let the cat out of the bag first. not great but not terrible.
3) denounces token WIFOM somewhat. Last sentence makes no sense to me.
Kinda lacking in content overall but nothing that triggers my scumdar besides the aforementioned mild lack of content.
In post 110, Psyche wrote:i don't really understand what you mean by that llama
Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.
that's pretty close to my first guess
but i'm not the first person in the game to take a panorama shot
so i thought there was more to it
In post 115, theelkspeaks wrote:
I actually disagree with that. As town, I find I need to understand where the game as a whole is going before I can see who looks scummy. As scum, I'd prefer to try to see how far I can push a player than to understand the game as a whole.
Can you link me a game where you did this as scum?
As far as I remember I'm yet to roll scum on this site.
