New York 180 (Endgame)

[Shinobi]

Elusive and GM are literally shoveling so much shit in my driveway that it has to be impossible for other people to not see it.

Literally everything that happens in thread - they use as ammo. They're not interested in my answers to anything because they don't care.

[elusive]

I asked you to make a fucking case for Aeronaut as scum. You refuse to put in the work. So either produce a scum case on Aeronaut using his ISO or stop whining like a brat.

[elusive]

I'm not going to ask you again, Shinobi.

[Ozgin]

Well I don't think you're scum, Shinobi, but my townread on Marquis is actually stronger than my townread on you (I'm townreading Marquis, lean towning Shinobi).

That being said, I was gone for like, 3 days, who fucking knows how much time we have left? I sure as hell don't. Do we have time to stir up a stronger wagon? If not, and if I have to choose between Shinobi/Marquis wagons, I'm more likely to hop on the Shinobi wagon than I am the Marquis. I'm reading his ISO on the other tab and his reaction to TSO's claim and TSO's attacks on him read town to me.

PEdit:

I asked you to make a fucking case for Aeronaut as scum. You refuse to put in the work. So either produce a scum case on Aeronaut using his ISO or stop whining like a brat.

I kinda agree with this. What is your case on Aeronaut? Give me something else to look towards.

[Shinobi]

I'm not going to ask you again, Shinobi.

I gave you my read. There's no reason for you to keep asking for a case when I already told you what I thought.

Though if you want to keep looking for excuses to hang your vote on me, go ahead.

[Kitz]

Not even a

Spoiler:

wall scum-case that we can read and reffer to any time?

[Shinobi]

@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

[dragonspawn]

Here is what I'm thinking now.

tso is still obviously a vigilante.

the fact that oz wants to lynch him claiming he is a SK instead of hunting scum makes me think that he is scum.

I think gm is probably town.

cheetory is more likely town since he doesn't care about the SK nonsense.

I'm still not sure about elusives claim.

[dragonspawn]

@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

[goodmorning]

Shimobi is trying

awfully hard

to make ABR's no-result a thing.

Already noted by someone else but still meaningless.

If you had votes on you and one of our information roles claimed a check on you, you'd be doing the exact same thing.

Yes, except that Tracker is meaningless and, as unreliable as ABR proved, is doubly meaningless.

Also, random question. What Non-SK neutral killers are accepted in Normal Large?

SKs are the only accepted 3p (that is, non-groupscum) in Normals.

Elusive and GM are literally shoveling so much shit in my driveway that it has to be impossible for other people to not see it.

Literally everything that happens in thread - they use as ammo. They're not interested in my answers to anything because they don't care.

I really don't know what you're talking about here.

P-Edit: Yup, dragon is definitely Town.

[Shinobi]

@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

Seriously?

[Ozgin]

I just explained why I think Aero is scum, and I've been asking about him throughout most of today anyway.

Which refers to:

Aeronaut is still reaching to try and lynch our claimed vigi while directing his shot.

Which isn't much of an explanation.

Pedit:

Shin, I'm just asking for something more elaborate and reliable than "Aeronaut is trying to lynch the guy who claimed vig."

Pedit2:

the fact that oz wants to lynch him claiming he is a SK instead of hunting scum makes me think that he is scum.

>"the fact that oz wants to lynch him claiming he is a SK instead of hunting scum makes me think that he is scum."
>"the fact that oz wants to lynch him [...] makes me think that he is scum."
>"oz wants to lynch him [...] he is scum."
>mfw

I have no intention of killing TSO yet, because right now I don't have a reason to suspect him scum, and even if my gut SK-read is correct, for now he's better off alive [...]

[goodmorning]

Well, there's the strategy that says if you leave the SK alive then crosskills can still happen.

[elusive]

So I asked Shinobi several times to provide an actual case on why he scum reads Aeronaut. The concept of case is foreign to no one in this game or they would ask. Interestingly he mentions two other scum reads but won't provide a case for either of them as well.

Being obstructive does no one any good.

[Ozgin]

@GM that's what I was saying in the post where I said I wanna leave TSO alive! Like I said - Worst case scenario is he's a Serial Killer on a leash.

[goodmorning]

Well, no, worst case is he's an SK not on a leash. Or groupscum. Actually he's more likely to be groupscum than he is to be SK at this point, imo.

[T S O]

Day 1 - "Let's kill someone random! Why not? I'm the SK, it's my

job

to kill everyone. Either kill scum luckily or doctor (just as lucky for me, since I'm anti-everything)."
Day 2 - "Oh look, a scum died last night. I can claim that as my own work."
Day 3 - "Hm. I'm gonna hard crumb that the vig will kill MathBlade tonight, then as the SK kill Math so I can claim vig later! They'll have to buy it!"
Day 4 - "Everyone is shitting on FAQ. Instead of claiming vig now, I'll just ride out this wave and let them lynch someone, and claim tomorrow."
Day 5 - "Everyone look! Turn your attention to day 3 - I must be vig because I hard crumbed this! I also must be town because I'm a vig and scum died night 1! Let's kill Marquis!"

Now, if Marquis flips town on a lynch and you're alive tomorrow (And no scum die tonight):

Day 6 - "Woah woah woah guys, it was an honest mistake! I'm a vig, not a cop! I couldn't have known my kill last night was town, and I couldn't have known that Marquis wasn't scum! They looked like scum! I dunno why I'm still alive! Please don't lynch me!"

But if the scum kill you tonight and you flip SK, I'll probably laugh harder than I should. If you flip vigilante, I'll feel pretty stupid, but my gut is SCREAMING at me.

I genuinely have not read this post past d1, where apparently I, a rather alright scum player, decided to kill someone random instead of an actual threat, because, still, time and time again,

no reason.

[Kitz]

ctually he's more likely to be groupscum than he is to be SK at this point, imo.

With who?

[Shinobi]

So I asked Shinobi several times to provide an actual case on why he scum reads Aeronaut. The concept of case is foreign to no one in this game or they would ask. Interestingly he mentions two other scum reads but won't provide a case for either of them as well.

Being obstructive does no one any good.

It's almost like I don't care what you think when you vote me over nothing and then keep coming up with reasons after the fact.

You yelling about anything isn't going to make me do anything, sorry.

[elusive]

Lame. ^

[dragonspawn]

@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

Seriously?

and what reason do you think they have for only asking you about aero?

[Shinobi]

@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

Seriously?

and what reason do you think they have for only asking you about aero?

You tell me?

[T S O]

Your logic keeps falling to pieces in certain areas and you refuse to address these:

-Why the fuck did I kill Boonskiies n1 if I'm the SK?
-Where's my n2 kill?
-Where's the vig's kill n3 if I'm the SK?
-Where's my n4 kill?
-Why hasn't the vig counterclaimed me?

And, here's one for the road:

Why the fuck would I set up a Vig claim when the alive Vig would just counterclaim me?

[T S O]

Why do I have to address this bullshit instead of directing the town like I should be? Jesus.

[T S O]

Well, no, worst case is he's an SK not on a leash. Or groupscum. Actually he's more likely to be groupscum than he is to be SK at this point, imo.

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