New York 180 (Endgame)

[Aeronaut]

Eh, yea I've sort of lost some of my suspicion of dragon, just based on the fact that he really doesn't seem to know what's going on. He's sort of lurked in the shadows a bit lately though, so I might take a second glance there.

[Shinobi]

Marquis-I'll look that over and get back to you.

OK, Let's say that we mislynch today, worse case scenario and TSO vig kills town by mistake and scum kills town as well.

That puts us to 8 alive tomorrow, which if there are 4 scum left alive is a sure fire win for scum. I don't know if there are 3 or 4 right now. In a game like this I could see a 4 or 5 person scumteam. With town OP'd who knows? Anyone have experience with typical scumteam size in Large Normals?

So, given this, and without a real solid scum lead, should we consider a NL or am I being dumb?

With the way my mind is right now, you will not insult me if you think I'm being an idiot. But perhaps a NL would be best now?

Then, worse case scenario, vig misfires, scum kills, that brings us to 9 tomorrow which could be a lylo situation but not an auto-loss because pisskop was killed and there is no way I'm going to believe a 6 person scumteam.

We have 4 days until deadline. Input, ideas?

I'm not going to be voting Marquis today. Best option today is Shinobi, who won't share his full reads with us, or really provide a lot of details of his thoughts outside of random one-lines which really don't hold a lot of weight with me. He keeps trying to milk that D1 "no track" read which doesn't conftown, and really can't be trusted much coming from ABR.

I'd like to vote Shinobi, but I have no idea what the VC is and I'd like to not accident-hammer. I believe he was L-2 last I checked.

I fucking typed out my reads already.

[Shinobi]

They're RIGHT HERE.

[elusive]

I never made a giant post explaining my reads. I've been giving reads throughout today and there's no reason for you to not be able to see them.

I've already noted that I thought Marquis/TSO was likely TvT.
I've said that I thought Kitz was town because I think he reads were so off-the-wall that scum wouldn't actually dare to have them.
I've fought with GM over the course of today.
I just explained why I think Aero is scum, and I've been asking about him throughout most of today anyway.

The only ones you might have an excuse to not know about are my reads on you/SilverWolf, and I think SilverWolf is town. It does seem like she's trying to figure things out with her posting and that she's trying to get a look at the big picture rather than get into fights with other players.

If you couldn't see them before, you can now.

Wow, its like my unvote just told me to kill myself.

[Aeronaut]

Ok, you only mentioned like half the players still in-game.

[Aeronaut]

@shinobi

[Aeronaut]

So, what about dragonspawn? What about Ogzin? What about Cheetory?

[Shinobi]

Dragonspawn exists. It seemed like he was catching on to the majority of the accusations on me being bullshit but I'm an idiot and didn't catch it. So townlean.
Ozgin seems reasonable and towny I guess.
Cheetory is.....I don't know how to describe it. He's here and he's asking questions, but then he gets answers and leaves and it just doesn't seem like my answers sated him in the first place because he's still on me. I'd like to say town, but I really don't know.

[Shinobi]

I never made a giant post explaining my reads. I've been giving reads throughout today and there's no reason for you to not be able to see them.

I've already noted that I thought Marquis/TSO was likely TvT.
I've said that I thought Kitz was town because I think he reads were so off-the-wall that scum wouldn't actually dare to have them.
I've fought with GM over the course of today.
I just explained why I think Aero is scum, and I've been asking about him throughout most of today anyway.

The only ones you might have an excuse to not know about are my reads on you/SilverWolf, and I think SilverWolf is town. It does seem like she's trying to figure things out with her posting and that she's trying to get a look at the big picture rather than get into fights with other players.

If you couldn't see them before, you can now.

Wow, its like my unvote just told me to kill myself.

Explain?

[SilverWolf]

Shinobi-You've been calling Kitz scum for awhile now, even going so far as to say it would be fun to kill her here: 4600 and 4601 and these post show you were suspicious of her as well 4628 and 4682

It was all about her reads that you didn't like. Then today suddenly you completely changed your mind and said she's town here 5169 and 5195.

But her reads have been like that all game so why suddenly is she town for having weird reads when you've been pretty sure she's scum up until recently?

[Shinobi]

Shinobi-You've been calling Kitz scum for awhile now, even going so far as to say it would be fun to kill her here: 4600 and 4601 and these post show you were suspicious of her as well 4628 and 4682

It was all about her reads that you didn't like. Then today suddenly you completely changed your mind and said she's town here 5169 and 5195.

But her reads have been like that all game so why suddenly is she town for having weird reads when you've been pretty sure she's scum up until recently?

Mostly because I can't imagine a world where scum actually calls you scum.

Afaik that was the first time she's done so. A lot of the time I play off of omgus, which gets fueled pretty hard when someone tunnels me all game. Normally I doubt that most tunnelers are mafia, especially since I tend to be a really popular target for newer players for some reason, but I usually love trying to kill them because it makes me feel better about getting tunneled.

I wouldn't say I was "pretty sure" at any rate. I'm sure I postured like it but there's a reason I don't blow the thread up trying to kill Kitz every time she calls me scum, which has been basically the entire game.

[Shinobi]

@Aero: Are you going to at least pretend to follow up on me or are you just going to afk with your vote on me more?

[Ozgin]

I seriously dont see how any of you could argue that tso isn't town. His entire game play has been town from the beginning. He is obviously the vigilante. Why the heck is that so difficult to see?

i don't think we have a SK. I highly doubt tso was deliberately not shooting people to pretend to to be a nonconsecutive vigilante.

and oz, you can claim your being cautious all you want. The fact still remains that you keep going after tso rather than hunt scum. That seems scummy to me.

So I'm really not understanding how me believing TSO isn't the vigilante and is the SK is suddenly equivalent to me wanting to lynch him? I'm just saying that I wanna treat TSO like a blast cap in a pound of C4 - very carefully, very controlled-ly, and very nervously. He can do lots of good for town; but he can hurt us also. Just remember that.

I was gonna vote Shin too, man that's scary, because I'm not ready to hammer him yet.

PEdit:
>Mfw my iPad doesn't load like a whole page and I miss Shinobi actually posting some good stuff.

[goodmorning]

@Shinobi:

Elusive and GM are literally shoveling so much shit in my driveway that it has to be impossible for other people to not see it.

Literally everything that happens in thread - they use as ammo. They're not interested in my answers to anything because they don't care.

I really don't know what you're talking about here.

Do you not see the validity of my arguments against GM/elusive or no?

I'll ask again: what arguments?

[Shinobi]

@Shinobi:

Elusive and GM are literally shoveling so much shit in my driveway that it has to be impossible for other people to not see it.

Literally everything that happens in thread - they use as ammo. They're not interested in my answers to anything because they don't care.

I really don't know what you're talking about here.

Do you not see the validity of my arguments against GM/elusive or no?

I'll ask again: what arguments?

We've fought on this repeatedly already.

[Shinobi]

You were even talking about me harping on a tracker check as a scumtell.

How can you not see that as an issue?

[goodmorning]

@Shinobi:

Elusive and GM are literally shoveling so much shit in my driveway that it has to be impossible for other people to not see it.

Literally everything that happens in thread - they use as ammo. They're not interested in my answers to anything because they don't care.

I really don't know what you're talking about here.

Do you not see the validity of my arguments against GM/elusive or no?

I'll ask again: what arguments?

We've fought on this repeatedly already.

What arguments then? Please quote them.

[Shinobi]

No. Read the thread.

This will be the end of me explaining my arguments to you.

[Shinobi]

@Aero: Are you going to at least pretend to follow up on me or are you just going to afk with your vote on me more?

I never made a giant post explaining my reads. I've been giving reads throughout today and there's no reason for you to not be able to see them.

I've already noted that I thought Marquis/TSO was likely TvT.
I've said that I thought Kitz was town because I think he reads were so off-the-wall that scum wouldn't actually dare to have them.
I've fought with GM over the course of today.
I just explained why I think Aero is scum, and I've been asking about him throughout most of today anyway.

The only ones you might have an excuse to not know about are my reads on you/SilverWolf, and I think SilverWolf is town. It does seem like she's trying to figure things out with her posting and that she's trying to get a look at the big picture rather than get into fights with other players.

If you couldn't see them before, you can now.

Wow, its like my unvote just told me to kill myself.

Explain?

Somehow I don't feel like either of these things are happening.
I know elusive isn't doing it because she couldn't be bothered to explain her vote in the first place.

Aero, where'd you go? You got what you wanted, so surely you have some kind of follow-up...Right?

[goodmorning]

No. Read the thread.

This will be the end of me explaining my arguments to you.

I DID

YOU HAVE NOT ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING COHERENT AGAINST ME

[ika]

Shinobi: Cheetory6, goodmorning, kitz, Aeronaut [l-2]
marquis: TSO, dragonspawn, SilverWolf [l-3]
goodmorning: Shinobi
Aeronaut: Marquis

Not voting: goodmorning, Ozgin, elusive

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch

(expired on 2015-04-06 00:00:00)

[Shinobi]

No. Read the thread.

This will be the end of me explaining my arguments to you.

I DID

YOU HAVE NOT ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING COHERENT AGAINST ME

Not how it looks fmpov. I see a crazy person trying to lynch me because of "revisionist history" and "tracker claims lol," both of which I thought that I had adequately explained, relevancy aside.

It's kind of like a merry-go-round. I scumread you, I explained why, and then you thought it was wrong and scumread me. And then I tried to explain and it seemed like you just kept going with it, so I thought that was scummy...Etcetera.

[T S O]

And Aeronaut gains 2 votes; next thing you know, town deadline lynch.

[T S O]

goodmorning, quite frankly, you can fuck off if you have the nerve to tell me to do so; my ego might make me an idiot but at least my reads aren't fucking diabolically bad.

[T S O]

VOTE: Aeronaut