NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[PeaceBringer]

And I most certainly am not defending elusive. She had not set off an alarm yet but I have been attending to the exchange...
looking over her dialogue it is null still, something things eye brow raising as will gramr but not decdied what any of that means yet.

[davesaz]

and cannot gramr speak for himself? does he communicate so poorly that you need to step in and speak for him?

My question relates to reading you by determining your motive. What did you find questionable in Garmr's post?

[PeaceBringer]

and cannot gramr speak for himself? does he communicate so poorly that you need to step in and speak for him?

My question relates to reading you by determining your motive. What did you find questionable in Garmr's post?

I found that post to be excuse making personally. His behavior does not match my prior experience. Both in terms of the passive aggressive discrediting and the "oh, I don't communicate clearly" comment. So, when I see things that seem inconstent to me or draw my attention, I tend to poke at it.

So he got an eye roll and then he made a passive aggressive discredit shot in response... it deserves further sorting out and thus the engagement...

[PeaceBringer]

and cannot gramr speak for himself? does he communicate so poorly that you need to step in and speak for him?

My question relates to reading you by determining your motive. What did you find questionable in Garmr's post?

and fair enough, you decide to poke, poke away, just was odd

[Errantparabola]

Ricastle

is definitely town!

Glad to hear it. Any thoughts on Skold?

As much as I hate to admit it, Ricastle is probably town. Even though he smells
jk you don't smell :3

By the way Skold is also town

A few thoughts:

1: I'm still nullreading Ricastle. He's posted a lot but I'm just not fully convinced that he's town

2: Are we completely forgetting about jbomber? Skold was the only one to vote for him but I feel like his shady sounding responses in 363 and 366 can't be ignored.

3: I realize grib has a lot of votes but I just don't think he's scum. I feel like scum would try to be less visible/controversial on the first day, and grib seems to be taking up a lot of attention that I don't think scum would want.

4: I sill think dave is a bit scummy, but there are others who are more so.

5: I'd like to see more posts from kitz. She's posted very little of substance so far, and that worries me.

6: Elusive scum is something I hadn't considered but it may be a possibility, I'll have to look over the game some more.

1: eh.
2: I could get on a jbomber wagon, actually. I would prefer it to a fluff/lurker wagon
3: That's okay logic, I guess
4: Agreed.
5: Agreed.
6: Disagreed.

Anyone who's on a lurker/fluff wagon want to get on jbomber?

That's the normal me for the early game. I'm also bad at voicing opinions, and I had my share bite on Grib's hypocritical moment and logic.
From what I read, there's meta everywhere. Grib's behavior? Meta. Boon's behavior? Meta. Less activity, more activity, more passive, more aggro, geeee meta.

Even Elusive attempted meta on me.

For all your denouncing meta, your first sentence was meta.

[PeaceBringer]

I'm starting to feel there is a reason no one listens to you (and yes that is a stab at your recent events and you complaining no listens to you.)

then looking at this further, he admits to making a discredit but then does so with a misrep... which his answer to an accusation on an alleged misrep of someone else was "I don't communicate clearly."

[Ricastle]

this post shows she understood what I was getting at before but instead of trying to correct me she used the opportunity to try and frame me as a liar and making shit up. But all she could do was to say Your wrong she couldn't show where I was apparently making stuff up.

That's true. The only thing she actually pointed out you were lying about/making up was about who started the townbloc, which is far less than I'd expect from someone who made a prelude post amplifying the matter.

Also if you noticed she didn't vote me earlier when She was pushing me and I was provoking her.

284 was her only post which could be interpreted as pushing you before you brought the case up. It's already explained why she didn't vote you there in the parts of her post I quoted. So, yeah, you really

don't

have a leg to stand on here.

Also If she was genuinely scum reading me in her last post she would of referred to me as trying to paint her as scum. But all she did was point at my points and say I was mistaken.

This is really something only elusive can answer. Still, as I said, I'm not remotely convinced she would dare go as far out as she has done for the townbloc if she was scum, especially as she wasn't even its founder.

[PeaceBringer]

the "town block" certainly has generated interesting reactions...

[Rubicon]

Wrong
this did happen

She's echoing my phrasing from this previous post in a kind of sardonic way:

I probably wouldn't lynch Garmr for suspecting Grib, but I might lynch him for the stretchy reasoning he used in 193.

I wasn't asking her for permission, so I don't think she was asking me for permission either.

That said, I don't think you're intentionally lying here, just misunderstanding.

[Ricastle]

With all these townreads I'm getting I'm seriously worried for my safety tonight.

Creative, Rubicon, Nero, Grib, are any of you up for a jbomber wagon?

[elusive]

Ricastle, this too can be found in my ISO. I do not strong push people as scum because on the first day either I don't know or I work off instinct which is hard to explain through cases. Instead I push people making cases to try to see where their mindset is at. This has worked better for me then pushing scum (and inadvertently getting town killed which I hate).

Garmr's desire for me to focus on him and his hijacking of almost any conversation he is part of (earlier he made everything about Grib and now its all about me) is concerning. I'd like to see more of his thoughts on the other conversations going on in the thread.

***In fact, Garmr can you provide a reads list or a rainbow list of everyone in the game and where you stand? If you post nulls for anyone then I'd like to see questions you ask them to get a better sense.

In fact, that should be a rule that if you feel null about someone you must ask them questions or engage with them to start being able to lean them one way or the other.'

Rubicon, I would never be sardonic with you

[Rubicon]

With all these townreads I'm getting I'm seriously worried for my safety tonight.

Creative, Rubicon, Nero, Grib, are any of you up for a jbomber wagon?

All right.
VOTE: jbomber

[Ricastle]

Got it, elusive. On that note, are you even scumreading Garmr?

I would vote for jbomber right now but I'll wait for some more responses first.

[PointYBagelS]

I'll hop on this wagon. Hopefully it turns up something good.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jbomber732

[PeaceBringer]

Garmr's desire for me to focus on him and his hijacking of almost any conversation he is part of (earlier he made everything about Grib and now its all about me) is concerning.

eh, that part is actually what gramr does... no concern there

[Errantparabola]

VOTE: jbomber

[Skold]

Unvote:

VOTE: Jbomber
I only hopped off this wagon to increase pressure. I prefer this one.

[PointYBagelS]

Kitz you have not voted at all. Why?

[Ricastle]

Ah fuck it. Doesn't really matter when I do this

VOTE: jbomber732

[Shinobi]

Jbomber732 has been prodded.

[PointYBagelS]

Unvote:

VOTE: Jbomber
I only hopped off this wagon to increase pressure. I prefer this one.

You may have actually convinced me you're town here.

[Kitz]

Kitz you have not voted at all. Why?

I rarely vote on the first day. In every other game, everyone had an OCD Freakout with my logic about jail, mislynch town, blabla. It's funny to read.
Want me to explain it in detail and cause another OCD Freakout here too?

[Grib]

Holy fuck, those votehops.

[Grib]

And they're all townreads except EP.

Hm.

[Creative]

I'm in guys!

VOTE: jbomber732