8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nacho dies today.

[ooba]

@MS:

What I read from Vezo’s statement is a lot of paranoia.

My town game is simple - find scum, lynch them. My reads are my shield.
- Capcom, pressured by a lot of slots - dayvig asks for a shot. I give them adorable. Shoots him - flips scum. I’m Conf town - die to a nightkill that night.
I see a Sotty lynch in the same light. Sotty flips scum - game breaks open.

If I was scum, a Sotty lynch does nothing for me
- with Nacho, I would have milked the bus for all it’s worth. A town Sotty flip would only make Nahco\me even more scum in your\ABR eyes. There’s no long term value there.
- and Nacho is town - I would have taken the Nacho mislynch. I don’t want a town player of his caliber staying along.

@ZZZX:

I’m scum reading you for the interactions amongst those I don’t have as town. Wge read. The three scum reads who I have as possibly town {def. Nacho, Grey}. Plus a lot of D2 not spent talking about game that much. ('Can you put reads in this format?')

[Albert B. Rampage]

The resistance to his lynch has been astronomical. Lynching him will blow the game wide open.

Ooba, like seriously, do you want to get mislynched to protect your Nacho townread? Sotty, same thing?

We're doing this.

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX:
I’m scum reading you for the interactions amongst those I don’t have as town. Wge read. The three scum reads who I have as possibly town {def. Nacho, Grey}. Plus a lot of D2 not spent talking about game that much. ('Can you put reads in this format?')

so its a scum-read based on another scum read that you arent sure off (since they are not confirmed) yet its basically as good as extremely scummy for you. mkay.?

and yea putting the read as that format to build a block is the right thing. and if you dont do it I am voting you .

[ooba]

The resistance to his lynch has been astronomical. Lynching him will blow the game wide open.

Ooba, like seriously, do you want to get mislynched to protect your Nacho townread? Sotty, same thing?

We're doing this.

I have close to 5% paranoia on the slot right now.

I don't think anybody can fake what he's posted - then, so be it - I'm casting my fate along with his.

MS - didn't reply to this - so I'll ask you. Where do we stand tomorrow with a town Nacho flip on our hands?

[ZZZX]

- and Nacho is town - I would have taken the Nacho mislynch. I don’t want a town player of his caliber staying along.

unless his readlist was head on and someone was scared of them being followed? its an interesting point honestly.

p-edit: i dont think you can fake his unreal rage >>

[ZZZX]

MS - didn't reply to this - so I'll ask you. Where do we stand tomorrow with a town Nacho flip on our hands?

Let me answer this for you. Me and my team already agreed on one thing: If nacho was town the only reason he wasnt quickly lynched was because his reads were accurate. so I will be lynching the hell out of eddie(whos not eddie anymore) / kagami for a first step

[ooba]

and yea putting the read as that format to build a block is the right thing. and if you dont do it I am voting you .

My reads are all on the table.

I have a scum team of four already declared from a PoE of six people. I'm willing to lynch Sotty because he has the best bet of flipping scum from all angles and is a lynch I can get today.

[ZZZX]

is your "dont lynch at all unless hell breaks" : Metal / ABR / Nacho?

[ooba]

MS - didn't reply to this - so I'll ask you. Where do we stand tomorrow with a town Nacho flip on our hands?

Let me answer this for you. Me and my team already agreed on one thing: If nacho was town the only reason he wasnt quickly lynched was because his reads were accurate. so I will be lynching the hell out of eddie(whos not eddie anymore) / kagami for a first step

Nacho's already called both those slots town.

Why don't you ask Nacho what his venge shot will be?

[ooba]

is your "dont lynch at all unless hell breaks" : Metal / ABR / Nacho?

And Grey

[ZZZX]

also why didnt u feel anything about kagami's mid game's random lists - not doing nothing AT ALL all game long yet you go for me because I didnt talk about the game "much"? I dont mind being scum read but i can see hyprocrity here. Even at my day - 2 non-perfect play I am better than half of hte player list here.

p-edit: I cared about what his reads were when his wagon didnt want to advance. thats what makes sense.

also grey nacho as a never lynch is weird. whatever floats ur goat. but if you were town there is at least 1 scum there . I am 75% sure of that.

[ZZZX]

If you can have a nice chat here to prove me wrong that would be nice. might help find your allignment on the way.

[ZZZX]

Quick Ooba question: DO you think even if my style was to lurk (if it was) that I would do that losing the town the game ? Esp its a nightless. I wouldnt choose hte nightless Unless I was sure of my town play. And I am sure of it.

[ooba]

also why didnt u feel anything about kagami's mid game's random lists - not doing nothing AT ALL all game long yet you go for me because I didnt talk about the game "much"? I dont mind being scum read but i can see hyprocrity here. Even at my day - 2 non-perfect play I am better than half of hte player list here.

Isn't tis similar to Grey's point on Sotty's 'Why not Hoopla'?

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I don't do scum hunting by chatting. I've read a 70 page thread with enough conversations as an unbiased observer. [Slightly biased since I knew Sera was town and Hoopla was a D1 mislynch]. That's the power of the replacement. You get new thoughts that avoids group think and breaks the game open.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The resistance to his lynch has been astronomical. Lynching him will blow the game wide open.

Ooba, like seriously, do you want to get mislynched to protect your Nacho townread? Sotty, same thing?

We're doing this.

I have close to 5% paranoia on the slot right now.

I don't think anybody can fake what he's posted - then, so be it - I'm casting my fate along with his.

MS - didn't reply to this - so I'll ask you. Where do we stand tomorrow with a town Nacho flip on our hands?

Nacho said to sheep him on pirate/eddie because he knows they are scum. I'd start with a vote there. Nacho provided a lot of detailed analysis that will be useful to us if he's really town, but I am certain he isn't.

He has a team of talented people helping him craft posts, it's normal he looks town. It passes the eye test but there are noticeable cracks. I'm not voting Sotty, that's who Nacho wanted to lynch D1.

[ZZZX]

I kind of like and dislike that ooba is somewhat going against the flaw. not sure which one is stronger tbh. Gona need him reacting more. Ooba chat w/me plz here come on

p-edit; maybe you dont but I do. I cant read threads without me in there. I build my reads through talking and dissecting thier intentions. I dont care if you got your reads but if you refuse to be town enough to help others read you I would not be really friendly about it when it comes to your lynch if metal/ABR hinted to the fact you might be scum. So if you were town let me know for my self.

[ZZZX]

The resistance to his lynch has been astronomical. Lynching him will blow the game wide open.

Ooba, like seriously, do you want to get mislynched to protect your Nacho townread? Sotty, same thing?

We're doing this.

I have close to 5% paranoia on the slot right now.

I don't think anybody can fake what he's posted - then, so be it - I'm casting my fate along with his.

MS - didn't reply to this - so I'll ask you. Where do we stand tomorrow with a town Nacho flip on our hands?

Nacho said to sheep him on pirate/eddie because he knows they are scum. I'd start with a vote there. Nacho provided a lot of detailed analysis that will be useful to us if he's really town, but I am certain he isn't.

He has a team of talented people helping him craft posts, it's normal he looks town. It passes the eye test but there are noticeable cracks. I'm not voting Sotty, that's who Nacho wanted to lynch D1.

Nacho didnt change that read btw right?

[ooba]

Ok. Cant type while eating. Gimme 10.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MS - didn't reply to this - so I'll ask you. Where do we stand tomorrow with a town Nacho flip on our hands?

Let me answer this for you. Me and my team already agreed on one thing: If nacho was town the only reason he wasnt quickly lynched was because his reads were accurate. so I will be lynching the hell out of eddie(whos not eddie anymore) / kagami for a first step

This is so true. Lynching Nacho will reveal everything to us.

We are wasting so many pages and time talking. Let's not make this so painful.

[ZZZX]

Also @ooba ika is actually reading this game with me generally and we are building a plan hence hte "reads" list.

Also he says that your reason for scum reading me is dumb.

p-edit : k and yea. atm the game wont progress much.

[ooba]

@ABR: "I'm not voting Sotty, that's who Nacho wanted to lynch D1."

I think we're both coming from the same place with different assumptions.
- I'm reading Sotty as scum -> Hence Nacho who pushed him on D1 has to be town
- You're reading Nacho as scum -> Hence his D1 push is town

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@ZZZX: You're fourth on a list which I'll surely reevaluate after flips.

Also tell ika I'm sad I replaced into a vanilla game.

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If we are mislynching Nacho, I want us to follow the vengeful lynch route.

He's clearly changed his reads on mollie.

I'm townreading her because normally when I vote her and that vote is correct, she crumples like a paper bag. That is clearly not happening here.

I'm actually scared we're heading for another mislynch tomorrow.

\inb4 ooba-scum with mollie

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not going to be a mislynch.

[ZZZX]

i don't think that "I'm going to vote you if you don't do X" is a very healthy way to approach this game in particular.

it just makes things happen

[ZZZX]

It's not going to be a mislynch.

I love you being sure and all but you should also think about others opinions for a change too. you know we both were wrong once on hoopla