BPC wrote:Patrick wrote:BPC looking more town. Hit on alot of my trains of thought just there. Serra no clue, can easily see as either alignment. Mara and ETL look decent to me early on, just on gut. I can tell I'm going to have to be not lazy and actually read some people's other games over the Easter break, because I feel like I know very little about all of your forum games.
This was a while back, but could you elaborate on me hitting on your trains of thought? At the time this just seemed like a nice compliment that made me feel all warm and fuzzy, but it feels a bit awkward without pointing out which trains of thought.
Can't remember it perfectly but you brought up some Mina doubts about the time I was having some, such as odd serra town read and overconfidence, and I was pleased to see you starting to look at Alchemist. I don't know why looking back makes it feel awkward.
BPC wrote:Maybe more of a curious thought, what do you see when you look at alchemist's post now?
A townie who had an off game? That's about all I can think.
BPC wrote:@pat: 412, were you townreading me at this point?
Vaguely that, also just didn't have much to say about you.
Mina wrote:1) Patrick, asking about your absence was moreso trying to reassure myself about you (in part because I'd followed some of the links in JF's catch-up and was suddenly getting the same "boring and reasonable" vibe from a few of posts, in part because Ether described you as "tricksy" at the Montreal meet, and in part because I thought I was wrong about everything at the beginning of D2). It's not like anyone would follow me even if I was scum pushing a mislynch based on that reasoning. That last post (along with a dose of sanity from Regfan) made me feel much better--my one question (which I'm asking mostly to dot my is and cross my ts) is what reasons your teammates gave for scumreading me, unless there's a strategic reason for you not to reveal it. Do you mean "heading in the right direction" reads-wise/partnership-wise?
I think if scum have any plans on getting me lynched, they wouldn't attempt it straight away anyway, but would try and chip away at my credibility. But my latest read makes me inclined to believe what you've said here.
CES didn't like your early move on BPC, who he read as town early; I suspect had CES been playing in my slot he'd have voted you at that point, though it's hard to tell with him. Neither CDB nor CES think you've done anything that you couldn't fake as scum, and that alone puts you in the frame if bbmolla and Quilford are assumed town. CDB and I briefly discussed last night what your 902 means about you, with him thinking your reasoning didn't make alot of sense, and me thinking it doesn't make alot of sense but wondering if it makes you town.
And yes, right direction meant reads/pairing wise. I've been burned before focussing too much on pairings, but this seems like a time where we should at least be considering them.
BPC wrote:Yes, this. I don't understand where patrick is coming from with that and that;s about the first time this game he's said something questionable. I'm chalking it up to half assed read coming back but I would like to hear more on this
Reading more carefully, I don't think this pairing is that likely anymore. I had in my head Mina's rather high level of suspicion of you early on, which both CES and I felt was unwarranted, and wondered whether this could be scum disproportionately attacking a partner's "scumminess".
Why bother to specifically point out that this is the first thing I've said that you find questionable? Is this what has turned me from being your top town read to being unsure on me?
Quilford wrote:Because when fakehammers are obviously fake, it becomes much harder to tell whether disbelieving reactions are genuine or not? So there's not much point to them? I don't understand.
Its obvious that a ton of stuff happened at the end of the day that had nothing to do with the fakehammer - most of it stemmed from Mara's ridiculous claim. Do you think bbmolla looks like scum in that episode?
