8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[Kagami]

Unsure, I've barely read the past few days and sotty flip changes things.

[ZZZX]

Kagami is flipping town.

- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?

You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

See the differance is this:
while nacho was obvtown and very contenful kagami was not and a lurksack + the "follow the plan" is in motion so that affects the situation too.
Thus your analysis is misguided.

We're past the point where isolated scum tells such 'Kagami is a lurksack' is valid reasons enough to push for a lynch.

You have a scum flip. You now have proved scum-??? interactions. You analyse them - you find scum and you lynch.

When pushing for a lynch - you now have to keep asking yourself 'Who the hell is scum with this person. So Sotty + Kagami + ??? + ??? - those other two'

Ok - you say GreyIce as a possible third? You analyse 'GreyIce' ~ 'Sotty' interactions. You'll come with the feeling that "HEY - THATS NOT A BUS" - and you'll know Grey is town.

So Grey is town? Who else can it be?
- wgeurts: Improbable because he had already made comments to the tune of 'Hey if nacho flips town lynch Kagami' on D2. Not going to do that with a scum partner.
- ZZZX: "Hey Guys what about Kagami?" on D2 and the pace of voting now - impossible to be a scum partner
- ABR with his instant vote on Kagami D3? - Nope
- Zar voted Kagami D2 when bussing was the best and far superior option. - Nope
- ooba? My first entry of the game was "Nacho-Ice sure town. One of Sotty\Kagami def scum" -> Really a double bus first post? Nope

That leaves MS and mollie. I can't remember anything from memory that particularly counters these pairings.

So could be {Sotty, Kagami, MS, mollie} - literally the only pairing that makes sense with Kagami scum. But when you have a town lean on mollie - but a 'at least I townread this slot before; I shouldn't question my early town reads' on MS - you realise even that is kinda not probable.

Hence your initial assumption was wrong. The building comes crumbling down - and only one thought survives the chaos that ensues. 'Kagami is town' and you are pretty certain of it.

Why is busing not a valid option? as long as a town block is in order the only way for scum to win is to bus like WTF

[ZZZX]

If I was scum my optimal play would be to scum the fuck out of my weakest 2 partners and just win after being too town to doubt (which is what you and wge(well he now knows how it was not that accurate)) did that mistake IF youw ere town.

[ooba]

Why is busing not a valid option? as long as a town block is in order the only way for scum to win is to bus like WTF

Sure bussing is a valid option.

So which interaction did you think was the bus in the above post?
a) GreyIce - Sotty
b) Ooba - Sotty\Kagami
.. Any of the other ones

Lets dig up arguments on both side of the 'Did wgeurts really bus? Read the shocking details in this post!' vs 'No way! Dude's town pushing on scum Kagami!'. We argue.

Whichever way Kagami (or our eventually lynchee) flips - we have far more information and a far more informed choice.

Discussion - this is how you win games. Not 'This is the plan! I wont think at all' way.

We are not lemmings. We're here to play the game.

[ZZZX]

Why is busing not a valid option? as long as a town block is in order the only way for scum to win is to bus like WTF

Sure bussing is a valid option.

So which interaction did you think was the bus in the above post?
a) GreyIce - Sotty
b) Ooba - Sotty\Kagami
.. Any of the other ones

Lets dig up arguments on both side of the 'Did wgeurts really bus? Read the shocking details in this post!' vs 'No way! Dude's town pushing on scum Kagami!'. We argue.

Whichever way Kagami (or our eventually lynchee) flips - we have far more information and a far more informed choice.

Discussion - this is how you win games. Not 'This is the plan! I wont think at all' way.

We are not lemmings. We're here to play the game.

I never said not to discuss, But it wont change today's lynch. but it will affect other day's lynches.


greyIce-sotty was a scummy interaction. If you want to be more exact read the Metal's 12 walls of wanders about it.
I cant remeber your interaction with sotty and/or kagami to be really memoriable. I am about to check something btw thou.

[ooba]

I never said not to discuss, But it wont change today's lynch. but it will affect other day's lynches.

Why is this?

On D2, I pushed the hardest I ever have to lynch Sotty instead of Nacho. And faced stiff resistance because 'It's better this way. We'd know he's town for sure'.

So what?

A sotty SCUM lynch would have broken the game wide open and CLEARED a (STILL WOULD BE LIVING) TOWN nacho.

So you'll know Kagami's true alignment tomorrow? She flips town, what exactly is going to change?

You lynch <Scummy person> today and they flip SCUM.

You know who those interactions and vote patterns will clear? Kagami.
You know what else we gain for every scum lynch? A mislynch.

Just because we lynched scum yesterday doesn't mean we don't lynch our best candidate to be scum with Sotty.

[ZZZX]

I never said not to discuss, But it wont change today's lynch. but it will affect other day's lynches.

Why is this?

On D2, I pushed the hardest I ever have to lynch Sotty instead of Nacho. And faced stiff resistance because 'It's better this way. We'd know he's town for sure'.

So what?

A sotty SCUM lynch would have broken the game wide open and CLEARED a (STILL WOULD BE LIVING) TOWN nacho.

So you'll know Kagami's true alignment tomorrow? She flips town, what exactly is going to change?

You lynch <Scummy person> today and they flip SCUM.

You know who those interactions and vote patterns will clear? Kagami.
You know what else we gain for every scum lynch? A mislynch.

Just because we lynched scum yesterday doesn't mean we don't lynch our best candidate to be scum with Sotty.

and who is that may i ask you?

also i lynched nacho even thou i knew he was town because the whole town wanted it. and honestly i couldnt do anything to revert it.

[ZZZX]

also we are following the plan of the conf town. and i find that the most vaible option,. straying from that (and breaking promises) is anti town at best

[ooba]

also we are following the plan of the conf town. and i find that the most vaible option,. straying from that (and breaking promises) is anti town at best

I didn't make any single promise to Nacho. I've always wanted just the single vengeful lynch to go through.

If we are mislynching Nacho, I want us to follow the vengeful lynch route.

But if it is, let's make it vengeful. I'd like Nacho to state in thread who tomorrows lynch should be.

Every new flip gives you new info - you use that new info - something the conf townie didn't have access to on D2.

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Just a random thought: If it is {MS, Mollie, Sotty, Kagami} - it's pretty funny that MS started lisetening\being nice to me only after I made this post.

i have a duty to preserve the legacy of nacho


even if i strongly disagree with them!

Nacho was wrong about all other three names on his list. You'll see why once I show you the light.

[ooba]

You know what - the more I think about it, the more this makes sense.

I thought it was ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR - but somethings did make me pause on that today:
- Wgeurts sudden turn around - I really cannot see scum making a dramatic turn around like this. Plus I would have pegged ABR to be the one they select to slaughter their own team mates.
- Read back on ZZZX's promise. He seems incredibly calm to following Nacho's lynch list - even with Sotty leading the list. Now, the other three names would be town in that scenario - but he knew town would have stopped at town-kagami.

So let's go ahead with Kagami
- A Kagami scum flip would clear all of these - ABR\Wgeurts\ZZZX for me
- And on a town flip - I can tell you why I thought ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR makes sense as a team

Vote: Kagami

[ooba]

yeah if you have any changes to your plan because of that shitty opportunistic wagon composition (note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you) you really should give them before your heart stops

The funny thing was it may possibly come from town!


You can get a low player evaluation too!

Guys what about kagami?

@Gray/Metal what do you think about kagami?

Focus.

The nacho group ran over to Kagami too right just now.

You should come to ooba.

Lol. Yes, I would like to really see the Kagami flip now.

Now i'm impatient for the flip! SLAAAY!

[ooba]

Sorry the second quote is about the hammer, not third.

[Zar]

I will be able to catch up tomorrow. But I would very much like to claim the hammer on Kagami since its the one lynch my whole team has wanted since day 2 started.

[Zar]

I'm guessing Kagami won't be posting a list of Vig shots from glancing at her last couple of posts anyway.

[ZZZX]

can someone hammer since kagami isnt really going to make a list?

[Zar]

Vote: Kagami

[wgeurts]

Well, Kagami's flipping town as Zar's scum.

[ooba]

Well, Kagami's flipping town as Zar's scum.

Not sure on whether Zar is scum or not.

But a Kagami scum flip clears all of you who I thought were setting up for a D4 Kagami mislynch (ABR\ZZZX\you) and confirms MS scum read to me. There's so much fodder there that I can literally rip him to shreds. I'll just have to find out who the partner is.

[Zar]

Well, Kagami's flipping town as Zar's scum.

Do you honestly think a slot that didn't even post a list of reads to follow up with can be town?

[ZZZX]

You know what - the more I think about it, the more this makes sense.

I thought it was ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR - but somethings did make me pause on that today:
- Wgeurts sudden turn around - I really cannot see scum making a dramatic turn around like this. Plus I would have pegged ABR to be the one they select to slaughter their own team mates.
- Read back on ZZZX's promise. He seems incredibly calm to following Nacho's lynch list - even with Sotty leading the list. Now, the other three names would be town in that scenario - but he knew town would have stopped at town-kagami.

So let's go ahead with Kagami
- A Kagami scum flip would clear all of these - ABR\Wgeurts\ZZZX for me
- And on a town flip - I can tell you why I thought ZZZX\Wgeurts\ABR makes sense as a team

Vote: Kagami

if kagami flips scum you are town. Making that promise as scum only confirms the game as lost for you.

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 4.2

Kagami (5) - ZZZX, wgeurts, GreyICE, Ooba, Zar

Not Voting (4) - Albert B. Rampage, Kagami, Pirate Mollie, Metal Sonic

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[quadz08]

A lynch has been reached.

Kagami was a

Mafia Goon

.

[quadz08]

VOTECOUNT 5.0

Not Voting (8) - Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Ooba, Pirate Mollie, wgeurts, Zar, ZZZX

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[ZZZX]

[ZZZX]

Read list v-5:

Town Blok:

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Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

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Really Reaallly town:
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)

Null:
GreyICE (TBD) << today I think?
Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)

Scum:

Kagami Silverwolf (The Hitmen)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)

VOTE: Grey