New York 180 (Endgame)

[Ozgin]

Oh, is it out that I'm neighbor with Ozgin?

Then yes, SW and Ozgin discussed the 3-shot vig.

So everything I said is true, just reverse who is actually the 3-shot vig between Ozgin and I.

Not only does Ozgin's discussion look super genuine, but the fact that:

Saturday April 4th was when 3-shot vig was mentioned in the PT.

That is true means Ozgin claimed 3-shot before elusive was modkilled and revealed to be 3-shot.

Confirming this. I wasn't absolutely ready to jump into this claim because I knew SW would go to hell and back to support me and then got force-replaced, but Green Crayons has earned my trust on the extremely bold claim on my behalf.

VOTE: TSO

Let me show you all. TSO will, without a doubt, flip SK.

[Kitz]

Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

But then why didn't Ozzie claim?
Now I really suspect the two of you lel.

Vote stays.

[Marquis]

Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today.

But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

But then why didn't Ozzie claim?
Now I really suspect the two of you lel.

Vote stays.

you literally quoted it yourself

[Marquis]

kitz for mafia, tso for sk

someone else mafia

[Ozgin]

Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

But then why didn't Ozzie claim?
Now I really suspect the two of you lel.

Vote stays.

GC claimed for me, I've been kinda away. I was setting up this claim with SW before the whole elusive-SW thing happened, but then SW was gone. Prior to that, I didn't want to counter-claim TSO because I knew I couldn't beat TSO in a 1v1 at the time, and I was biding my time to plan my last shot, which I still don't know what to do with.

[goodmorning]

that i believe, and is easily confirmable. it's near impossible that those two are groupscum together too. ozgin's play when tso claim was still being dealt with makes a shit ton of sense too now.

VOTE: tso

hi gm. why would we not lynch sk today?

Probably there are 3 Maf alive which means SK actually wants them dead as much as Town does at this point, and moreover can shoot them.

Something is weird in the pudding with SW's behaviour towards Ozgin/TSO but idk rn

[Marquis]

Ugh.

You're probably right.

But I want SK gone for the potential kill reduction. I don't think either of Ozgin/GC are Mafia, nor TSO. But the SK is in there, and I don't think it's GC who painted a target on his back for Ozgin, and right now I like my assessment of TSO's mindset enough to think he's SK over Ozgin. Especially with the earlier 3-shot mention destroying TSO's case on that.

[T S O]

I like my assessment of TSO's mindset enough to think he's SK over Ozgin.

It's probably fair to say I have felt 4 attacks overall this game.

-RVS large wagon, which I defused without getting angry or accusative, or to use your terminology, "that's unfair"
-Cheetory early d4, which I defused calmly without once saying "that's unfair"
-Your attack on me d5, where I said "That's OMGUS" - so, to clarify, not "that's unfair"
-The shit on me now, where your current vote reason is "he came back from V/LA early". Yes, I'm calling that unfair. Who could possibly know why?

Your analysis of my mindset is literally nonsense.

[T S O]

Ozgin, you presumably shot me last night, yeah?

[Marquis]

Stop acting like I said it's the main reason. The convenient return was a small, small part of the things I disliked. I'm not that dumb as to think it's actually valid.

And neither did I say "that's unfair" was your defense, so that's another strawman on your part. (You should probably stop using them.)

I've said "that's unfair" is what your thoughts driving your responses to people thinking you're scum seem to be based on - in other words, I've never seen a hint of you coming from a mindset where you know you're town and that the people saying you're scum/sk are wrong. Your attacks and your irritation have always been primarily directed at what you perceive as stupid reasons for you to get caught (similar to a typical scum irritation with "caught for the wrong reasons"), not at the idea of you being scum itself.

[T S O]

Can you quote where I have done this in relation to, let's say, Cheetory? Because I haven't.

[Marquis]

Sorry, too apathetic to.

I know I'm undercutting my own read here but who gives a fuck anymore. I'm only here because it's day fucking 6 and I wouldn't wish replacing into this mess as town on anyone else.

[Marquis]

Oh, and also because as much as I hate myself and my play right now, I still believe my presence is needed lest GC/Ozgin somehow get lynched over TSO today.

[T S O]

Ozgin's play

still doesn't make sense from a Town perspective.

Yesterday, in an attempt to push through a lynch on you, I claimed Vig. Ozgin saw that.
At that stage, Ozgin had two options - counterclaim me, which would almost certainly have lead to my death, or go along with me and shoot me last night.
If Ozgin did not shoot me last night that conclusively proves he is lying.

I am waiting for Ozgin's clarification on shooting me before I continue on this train of thought.

[Marquis]

Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

You also claim to have shot gm but not successfully.

The only manipulative role that's flipped out of 10 is a scum non-consecutive RB.

You full well know what the only logical SK power is in a game with a town vig, town vengeful, scumkill, and a load of other town PRs.

I think you know where I'm going with this, and probably already saw where I went with it earlier. Not really in the mood to have to spell it out.

[dragonspawn]

Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

I'm fake claiming but have no reason to fake claim.

[dragonspawn]

You lot are really the worst town.

scum slip much?

[T S O]

Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

Forgive me, but I'd like him to explicitly state this so there's no get-out clause.

[Marquis]

Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

I'm fake claiming but have no reason to fake claim.

Town claiming a PR to save a real neighbor/mason PR from getting shot over it is a common occurrence.

As scum, GC still had no reason to do that. There was not anywhere close to significant lynch pressure on his slot for him to chain himself to that as scum, or paint a NK target on his own back.

[Marquis]

Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

Forgive me, but I'd like him to explicitly state this so there's no get-out clause.

Sure. I assumed it was obvious with the quotes of SW chiding Ozgin to just ignore it because it'd be dealt with come tomorrow, but okay.

[Marquis]

You lot are really the worst town.

scum slip much?

Hey dragon, wishful thinking. And he's right anyway.

[dragonspawn]

But you people think that SK would put himself in a 1v1 position outside of LYLO, so I guess y'all love not making sense.

Sure, if he thought he could win it.

But you people think that SK would put himself in a 1v1 position outside of LYLO, so I guess y'all love not making sense.

Yeah.

Why are we lynching the Sw slot?

We aren't. Neither GC nor TSO is likely to be groupscum in this situation, thus it doesn't make sense to lynch them today.

F U C K people please use some goddamned logic

NEITHER GC NOR TSO IS GROUPSCUM, THUS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO LYNCH THEM TODAY

Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

If I see one more fucking fakeclaim in this game I am going to throw a fit.

now that you mention it, I'm totally a seer.

[dragonspawn]

Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

You also claim to have shot gm but not successfully.

The only manipulative role that's flipped out of 10 is a scum non-consecutive RB.

You full well know what the only logical SK power is in a game with a town vig, town vengeful, scumkill, and a load of other town PRs.

I think you know where I'm going with this, and probably already saw where I went with it earlier. Not really in the mood to have to spell it out.

not true. The claim was pisskop day 1 and elusive miss day 4.

[Cheetory6]

Don't know why there's so many new pages.
Not finding out tonight.

[goodmorning]

Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

You also claim to have shot gm but not successfully.

Bizarrely, this would make TSO being JK'd the simplest option.

GC claimed, however, that elusive was N4 shot though who knows if that was true.