Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

Mastina's strengths match up with mine.

For someone great at reading behavior, what made you think threats and bullying were more likely to get me to follow you?

[Oversoul]

I think Titus is town

[fferyllt]

How am I moving the goalposts?

goalpost: Empire faked the Regfan read.

New goalpost: I've used info from meets in my reads as scum, there Empire would

I was literally going back to find who was Empire. I don' t want to pick sides, I want to work with both of you. That's why I want you two just to pick a lynch each,then I do not have to choose.

You have chosen a side. Your side. Mastin agreeing is bonus.

[quote[Also, appealing to authority is literally the least persuasive argument to me. Yes you're strong. I respect you but that says nothing about your reads this time. Every slot here is strong.[/quote]

Nor yours.

I've asked for one game day. One. This is what I have, and this is what I got from you.

[fferyllt]

Mastina's strengths match up with mine.

For someone great at reading behavior, what made you think threats and bullying were more likely to get me to follow you?

Your vote was your decision. I am not trying to get you to follow. me. I'm venting because I'm furious. At the end of day 1 I'm going to unbookmark this thread and give town my best wishes, because I don't think I'll have the stomach to watch.

[Titus]

That's not moving the goalpost Ffery.

My understanding was that you implicitly argued that Empire did not twist or use a rl convo to get ahead. It's not enough that an RL convo exists to make a readwall not come from scum but something incapable of being ysed by scum. I was saying tour argument had a fallacy because scum can use rl discussions just as much as town.

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You have gotten me fleshing out arguments, trying to improve my game, giving you the best platform to do what it is you do. You know as well as I do that I do not sheep lightly. If I am picking between two townreads, why shouldn't I pick the one I agree with? The one that has actually tried to include me in discussions despite disagreeing with me? The one that doesn't berate me? Mastina makes me feel good about following her. You make me feel as if I would be checking a box on my tax forms that hurts.

There's a difference between working with people and being a proxy doormat. Maybe I am not great at working with two townreads at the same time. But hell atleast try to work with me rather than expecting unwaivering obdience. That never comes ftom me.

[Titus]

I am sorry you are furious. I hope you at least postgame see I was trying.

[fferyllt]

I totally and unequivocally oppose a singer lynch.

There is no room for us to work.

You're trying to argue against my baliwick - my ability to read Empire via his reads lists (which has never failed, except when he was hydraing with Nacho, who was crafting the reads lists iirc). Arguments like "scum could do that" don't scratch the surface. It's a full reads list and every piece of it hangs together in a way that Empire town reads lists do. And it's devoid of the stuff I see in Empire scum reads lists. The fact that you or anyone else have done something as scum has no bearing on what Empire as scum would do, would include, would spin as scum.

[Titus]

It has never failed? Ever?

Well...that is actually helpful that is has never failed. It's one thing to say you're strong in something. It's quite another to do something

without fail

.

VOTE: Unvote

[Titus]

I don't think your argument is even valid as stealing from other player's scumgames is goid but I am not going to argue with failproof. At least not now.

[Titus]

The whole it never fails is the exact thing why I never wanted to lynch Egg in Uncouth. Yes you thought my reasons for the VCA was shit but I was right. I owe you the same courtesy.

[Untrod Tripod]

I totally and unequivocally oppose a singer lynch.

There is no room for us to work.

You're trying to argue against my baliwick - my ability to read Empire via his reads lists (which has never failed, except when he was hydraing with Nacho, who was crafting the reads lists iirc). Arguments like "scum could do that" don't scratch the surface. It's a full reads list and every piece of it hangs together in a way that Empire town reads lists do. And it's devoid of the stuff I see in Empire scum reads lists. The fact that you or anyone else have done something as scum has no bearing on what Empire as scum would do, would include, would spin as scum.

this post makes me want to lynch singer SO FUCKING BADLY

[Titus]

Really UT, you want to lynch Singer after that? Confirmed town pushing something that never fails and you want to go against it...why? That seems fucking shitty. I think there's something else underneath that Ffery finds in Empire and then tailors it but a 100% accuracy rate should not be fought against.

[Titus]

FFery, do you still think AD's post was town? Should we lynch Espy? Where are you atm?

[Titus]

Oversoul, what are your thoughts on Bulba, TTH and Mastina?

[Untrod Tripod]

Really UT, you want to lynch Singer after that? Confirmed town pushing something that never fails and you want to go against it...why? That seems fucking shitty. I think there's something else underneath that Ffery finds in Empire and then tailors it but a 100% accuracy rate should not be fought against.

nothing makes me want to go against someone more than them saying FOLLOW ME I'VE LITERALLY NEVER BEEN WRONG

[GuyInFreezer]

Titus vote AD with me.
It promises us justice and kittens.

[GuyInFreezer]

It has never failed? Ever?

Well...that is actually helpful that is has never failed. It's one thing to say you're strong in something. It's quite another to do something

without fail

.

VOTE: Unvote

After reading this, I'm thinking of throwing my Titus townread, shoot a rocket launcher at it until it turns into ashes.

[Titus]

Waiting on Ffery's response GiF.

GiF we finished Uncouth mafia where I was yelling about how my vca never failed when finding conftown given certain facts. Ffery is saying hers, never fails. Rather than arguing, best to not vote HER conftown. The never fails is important. Otherwise I just have two confident dueling townreads.

[Untrod Tripod]

never fails only means hasn't failed yet

this is a behavioral game, for fuck's sake

[Titus]

never fails only means hasn't failed yet

this is a behavioral game, for fuck's sake

This is an informational game. Behavior is just one subset.

[Titus]

Do you have any evidence that Empire fooled FFery here? No. Then shut up. We are not lynching Singer.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 69 (Major Day 1, VC 31)

(7)

ActionDan:

DeasVail, singersigner, T S O, Espeonage, Aronis, GuyInFreezer, ChannelDelibird

(Formerfish)

[L-3]
(5)

singersigner:

Gammagooey, Bulbazak, mastin2, Shadoweh, Untrod Tripod

(Titus)

(3)

Espeonage:

vezokpiraka, ActionDan, Cheetory6

(ChannelDelibird)

(1)

Formerfish:

TellTaleHeart
(1)

TellTaleHeart:

Oversoul

(2)

Not Voting:

Formerfish, Titus

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

[GuyInFreezer]

Can't determine if sarcasm or serious

[fferyllt]

FFery, do you still think AD's post was town? Should we lynch Espy? Where are you atm?

Nacho really wants to lynch AD. I trust his ability to read AD because of our experience together playing games with AD. I think if AD is town he would/will pretty quickly convince Nacho of it. Yesterday he yelled at me a little and then faded off when the singer wagon picked up more steam.

never fails only means hasn't failed yet

this is a behavioral game, for fuck's sake

This. I'm not calling my read based on empire's reads list construction fail proof. But I do feel that my read, plus Nacho's Empire read plus his Singer read plus llamarble's singer read amount to a incredibly huge amount of simultaneous fail by a strong confirmed town team.

gamma made a point about snark and sarcasm being a part of his scum reaction to being scumread. But, that is absolutely not what I saw in the game with scum singer I just finished playing with singer recently. I'm not sure how well my game behavior under real life stress would translate to how singer behaves under similar stress, but there's a recent game where I picked up a bunch of scumreads on day 1 and reacted to it with way more snark and way less engagement than I have ever done in any game of any alignment. I show irritation and other negative feelings way more readily as town than I do as scum because I'm already weighing every word, every post, every position, and every thing I ignore with a micrometer. emotions likely to anger other players never make it to the keyboard unless as a carefully thought out tactic.

Singer isn't playing to make friends. She's playing with her heart on her sleeve.

[fferyllt]

@MASTIN

This is from Nacho.

Please ask pie if it's worth it to give Nacho, llamarble and me -- ONE DAY. That's all we're asking for. ONE DAY.

And if you guys can't agree to give us that, then if Singer flips town will you be willing to give us your support on the next three lynches - The second day 1 lynch and the day 2 lynches?

Please?