Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

Metalcyanide · Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:06 pm

In post 1736, eektor wrote:
In post 1734, Bellaphant wrote:
My read on Tool isn't just based on that: the case boon pushed on him was terrible, I've re-read his interactions with Taly, which look way too...invested for him to be scum, and I like his considered approach to new situations: he looks like he's legit trying to sort the game.

Aquanim wrote:I think you missed the last question: if Bellaphant and Metal are both scum, you appear to have only considered the possibility that the third scum was on the InsidiousLemons wagon (hence concluding that it's TDA). What makes you think that the third mafia would not be on the Metal wagon day 1 instead?

@eek, can you explain, other than the above, other reasons that TDA is scum?

I wasn't aware Boon had presented a case on tool, what was so terrible about his case?

It's not so much a case but rather Boon has called Tool scum for pretty much the whole game. I could see it as Boon keeping himself distanced from Tool if one of them flipped.

Metalcyanide · Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:20 pm

In post 1748, eektor wrote:@metal Is there anybody else besides Elyse you want to vote for? Would you vote for Bella?

I can see what your saying about Bell not doing much of anything since replacing in. Only thing of substance (imo) is the early read list and voting for myk near deadline.

Metalcyanide · Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:24 pm

Sorry didn't finish my post, so yes I would vote for Bella. With whats there for IL and Bella I could go for a Bella lynch in our current situation. And to reiterate what I've said before IL only got a break from me because he wasn't around

Metalcyanide · Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:26 pm

UNVOTE: Elyse
I would still like to Boon over anyone else I'll throw another vote down later

Bellaphant · Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:13 pm

Aqua asked me about lynching boon, and yeah, I'd be happy to do that. More @eek later.

Aquanim · Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:26 pm

Boonskiies' case on Tool begins here though there is one previous mention of the read here.

Bellaphant · Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:55 am

@eek, how did you miss boon's case? People reacted to it: I even mentioned, at the time, that aqua/elyse/tool had the same response to it, which was 'he's gone through tool's iso trying to find reasons to hang a case together.' It made me concerned about the echo effect, now I'm more convinced they were just right.

eektor · Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:27 pm

In post 1756, Bellaphant wrote:@eek, how did you miss boon's case? People reacted to it: I even mentioned, at the time, that aqua/elyse/tool had the same response to it, which was 'he's gone through tool's iso trying to find reasons to hang a case together.' It made me concerned about the echo effect, now I'm more convinced they were just right.

So at first you were wary of the echo between aqua, elyse, and tool and now you are thinking they are all town agreeing on Boon's bad case on tool? Which one of the three were you most worried about?

Boonskiies · Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:40 pm

In post 1753, Metalcyanide wrote:UNVOTE: Elyse
I would still like to Boon over anyone else I'll throw another vote down later

meh, i'm just disinterested town forgetting that I'm in this game.

VOTE: Tool

Sheep me. It's correct.

toolenduso · Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:51 pm

In post 1746, TheDudeAbides wrote:Prod dodge.
Tomorrow.

Well?

In post 1752, Metalcyanide wrote:Sorry didn't finish my post, so yes I would vote for Bella. With whats there for IL and Bella I could go for a Bella lynch in our current situation. And to reiterate what I've said before IL only got a break from me because he wasn't around

This doesn't make me feel any better about the prospect of lynching Bella.

Aqua, I know you haven't exactly been gung-ho about a metal lynch, but would you consider it today? I kind of want to vote for him and I would feel more comfortable with you on the wagon.

Boonskiies · Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:54 pm

I'd also like to point on Tool's lack of mentioning my push earlier on him. He just wanted it to fall under the radar, really.

toolenduso · Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:56 pm

In post 1758, Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Tool

Sheep me. It's correct.

Spoiler: Nope.

toolenduso · Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:58 pm

In post 1760, Boonskiies wrote:I'd also like to point on Tool's lack of mentioning my push earlier on him. He just wanted it to fall under the radar, really.

Right, except for the time where I did mention it:

In post 1576, toolenduso wrote:...I just feel like the wording is off with that post and now you're trying to apply retroactive reasoning to it.

Which is also how I feel about Boon's case on me. Some of the points in there really look like he was going through my ISO looking for things to call scummy, as opposed to looking through it to find things indicative of my alignment.

Aquanim · Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:22 pm

@TheDudeAbides

: I know I said I townread you, but that wasn't a license to lurk for five days. :/

Aquanim · Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:23 pm

In post 1759, toolenduso wrote:...
Aqua, I know you haven't exactly been gung-ho about a metal lynch, but would you consider it today? I kind of want to vote for him and I would feel more comfortable with you on the wagon.

Why would having me vote for Metal make you more comfortable?

Also, what is your actual read on Boonskiies?

eektor · Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:36 pm

In post 1758, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 1753, Metalcyanide wrote:UNVOTE: Elyse
I would still like to Boon over anyone else I'll throw another vote down later

meh, i'm just disinterested town forgetting that I'm in this game.

VOTE: Tool

Sheep me. It's correct.

Any chance you'll vote for Bella today?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:27 pm

Vote Count 3.04 - up to post #1765.

Metalcyanide[1]: Elyse
Eektor[1]: Toolenduso
Bellaphant[1]: Eektor
Toolenduso[1]: Boonskies

Not Voting: Bellaphant, TheDudeAbides, Aquanim, Metalcyanide

With 8 alive, it requires 5 votes to lynch.

Day ends on Friday, April 24th at 7:00 PM USA Mountain Time

, or when a lynch occurs

Elyse · Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:30 pm

I am fine with lynching Boon today.

Scum team is Boon/metal and {Bella, eektor} most likely with TDA as an outside possibility.

Aquanim · Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:33 pm

Is that Boon and Metal and (Bella or Eektor)... or (Boon or Metal) and Bella and Eektor?

Elyse · Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:34 pm

Boon and metal and (Bella eektor) sorry.

I don't believe someone could be so disinterested in the game to throw a potentially game losing vote on a random person for no reason. He had to know in the back of his mind it wouldn't mean anything.

Aquanim · Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:38 pm

I have a hard time seeing Boonskiies and Metal as scum together.

Why did Boonskiies go apeshit when I posted my case on Mykonian, if that case had just saved his scumbuddy Metal from being the only wagon of the day?

Elyse · Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:44 pm

That's a good point but Boon was also scumreading metal but never voted him despite him being the counter wagon to his super townread Myko. I think he was buddying myko and wanted him to turn around and lynch you or tool.

Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit. I would be more comfortable lynching metal though.

Aquanim · Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:05 pm

As far as I can see, Boonskiies was voting for Metal (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6705768) right up until he switched to Tool, and then later to myself.

It's true that Boonskiies did not switch back to Metal as an answer to the Mykonian wagon. For that matter, he barely posted in that interval. Boonskiies being scum with not-Metal and not really giving a shit, or being town and not really giving a shit, both occur to me as possibilities.

Elyse · Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:10 pm

Again I don't see him as town placing that vote on me. With metal's vote on me earlier, should the scum team be some other group of three, the game would've been over. And if even Boon was disinterested, why not vote for tool or metal or Bella or you? I was one of the few people he wasn't scumreading.

And my scumread on metal is basically just as strong. Maybe I'm dead wrong about one because they don't fit well together but then again maybe I shouldn't base my scumread on that just yet.

Aquanim · Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:22 pm

I have some theories about Boonskiies' vote for you. He's given some kind of an answer to your question already:

In post 1758, Boonskiies wrote:...
meh, i'm just disinterested town forgetting that I'm in this game.
...

do you mind if I post said theories, or would you prefer to drag a more illuminating response from him?