Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

[Aquanim]

@Toolenduso

: I assume you think Eektor and Metal are two of the three scum (if that is not true, say so). Who do you think the third mafia is?

[Elyse]

Go ahead

[Aquanim]

In short, if Boonskiies is scum I wonder if he made that vote as a distraction from the pressure on Bellaphant. He might well have thought that the vote would be likely to make you refocus on Metal's vote for you; it is an outcome I expected from Boon's vote.

If he's town then he probably simply doesn't give a damn. I don't know how to read townies that simply don't care about their wincon. There's an outside possibility it was a reaction test.

[eektor]

Maybe we should all give 2 names we are willing to vote today. If you have more than 2, feel free to say all of them.

What do you guys think?

[Aquanim]

Maybe we should all give 2 names we are willing to vote today. If you have more than 2, feel free to say all of them.

What do you guys think?

Okay, but unless someone would like to FoS me I intend to go last (or when I get bored).

I'd be okay with going before Elyse but I think her cards are on the table already.

[eektor]

Well my number one is Bella but I have a tie for 2nd which is Boon and tool. The way I see it one of them is scum, the other isn't. I really want a Bella lynch but I'll join one of those two wagons. The only one I trust to be town right now is Aqua.

[Aquanim]

Well my number one is Bella but I have a tie for 2nd which is Boon and tool. The way I see it one of them is scum, the other isn't. I really want a Bella lynch but I'll join one of those two wagons. The only one I trust to be town right now is Aqua.

What's your reason for saying it's exactly one of those two?

[Aquanim]

Oh, and whatever you do, townies, don't throw down any stupid votes. If we lose, that is not the way I would want it to happen.

[TheDudeAbides]

I think that MC believing the cute cop ... (isn't) scummy.

Why not?

Well, I don't think that there is any validity to Eelyse's argument - I doubt that there is any reason to think that scum are more likely to believe a crazy claim than a townie, and on top of that, I think that MC's explanation is reasonable - that he played on a site where sometimes standard roles have funny names or something like that.

Why do you think that it's scummy.

if that was tVs I know who I'd be lookinh at.

What does this mean?

But how does this mkae sense as town, either?

I don't think that it matters. The point is that he would not have done it as scum, and townies will do pretty much anything.

Then you say I must be scum because you are acting different than in the newbie game we were scum together and I'm still scum-reading you? Well, shouldn't you be acting different in this game if you were scum when I knew you were scum in the other game?

Could you explain this using about 3 times as many words?

Anyway, I don't think that these meta arguments hold much water. There's just not enough data.

I think Bella and TDA would be the most likely to be scum on that wagon

Why?

Because their reasons for joining the wagon is more suspect than the other 2 (you and metal).

This doesn't cut it.

Would you agree with me that there is at least one scum in the myko wagon?

This isn't a reasonable response, even if there is scum on the Myko wagon.

As to whether there is scum on it or not, I'd bet that there was scum on the wagon, but I wouldn't bet that there is more scum on the wagon minus mike than in any other randomly selected group of players.

I've re-read his interactions with Taly, which look way too...invested for him to be scum

Have you ever used this sort of reasoning before?

I am fine with lynching Boon today.

Scum team is Boon/metal and {Bella, eektor} most likely with TDA as an outside possibility.

Your going to have to stop just throwing me into lists and justify your suspicion of me.

I still think that we should no lynch today.

[eektor]

Well my number one is Bella but I have a tie for 2nd which is Boon and tool. The way I see it one of them is scum, the other isn't. I really want a Bella lynch but I'll join one of those two wagons. The only one I trust to be town right now is Aqua.

What's your reason for saying it's exactly one of those two?

Because I can't see Boon and tool as scum buddies. I also think both of them make excellent scum buddies for Bella but not both of them together.

[eektor]

Then you say I must be scum because you are acting different than in the newbie game we were scum together and I'm still scum-reading you? Well, shouldn't you be acting different in this game if you were scum when I knew you were scum in the other game?

Could you explain this using about 3 times as many words?

How about me replacing the pronouns:

Then Bella said eektor must be scum because Bella is acting different than in the newbie game where Bella and eektor were scum together and eektor is still scum reading Bella? Well shouldn't Bella be acting different in this game if Bella were scum when eektor knew Bell was scum in the other game?

Anyways, I am having serious doubts about you. All you have done today is ask questions and not contribute any reads or even thoughts about the alignment of people in the game. It is like you are sitting back waiting for a wagon to form and then you are ready to join the one you like. You are either a completely clueless town which I find hard to believe since you said you are an alt and you have a main, or you're just scum trying to bide your time to join the wagon you like.

[TheDudeAbides]

Where do you think that Bella said that Eektor must be scum because Bella is acting differently? That makes no sense at all.

[TheDudeAbides]

Then Bella said eektor must be scum because Bella is acting different than in the newbie game where Bella and eektor were scum together and eektor is still scum reading Bella? Well shouldn't Bella be acting different in this game if Bella were scum when eektor knew Bell was scum in the other game?

This entire thing makes no sense on so many levels.

[eektor]

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm happier town-reading tool is that he is again highlighting eektor as being scummy. While his push on eek rung alarm bells for me when I replaced in, I think he's got some good points.

Also, I've just won a scum-game with eek as my buddy in the newbie queue where my activity/posts were nothing like this, but he's still scum-reading me?

I'd be happy with a metal/eek lynch today.

(If Aqua and Elyse are scum together, they have done a brilliant job and we should probably give up )

[TheDudeAbides]

Anyways, I am having serious doubts about you. All you have done today is ask questions and not contribute any reads or even thoughts about the alignment of people in the game. It is like you are sitting back waiting for a wagon to form and then you are ready to join the one you like. You are either a completely clueless town which I find hard to believe since you said you are an alt and you have a main, or you're just scum trying to bide your time to join the wagon you like.

I think that we should no lynch today.
I've certainly given thoughts and reads.
How does me being an alt have anything to do with me being clueless?

[TheDudeAbides]

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm happier town-reading tool is that he is again highlighting eektor as being scummy. While his push on eek rung alarm bells for me when I replaced in, I think he's got some good points.

Also, I've just won a scum-game with eek as my buddy in the newbie queue where my activity/posts were nothing like this, but he's still scum-reading me?

I'd be happy with a metal/eek lynch today.

(If Aqua and Elyse are scum together, they have done a brilliant job and we should probably give up )

I think Bella's reasoning is terrible, but I don't think that she means what you think she means.

[eektor]

Anyways, I am having serious doubts about you. All you have done today is ask questions and not contribute any reads or even thoughts about the alignment of people in the game. It is like you are sitting back waiting for a wagon to form and then you are ready to join the one you like. You are either a completely clueless town which I find hard to believe since you said you are an alt and you have a main, or you're just scum trying to bide your time to join the wagon you like.

I think that we should no lynch today.
I've certainly given thoughts and reads.
How does me being an alt have anything to do with me being clueless?

Since you are an alt and have a main, I expect you to be more experienced and therefore not that clueless.

[eektor]

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm happier town-reading tool is that he is again highlighting eektor as being scummy. While his push on eek rung alarm bells for me when I replaced in, I think he's got some good points.

Also, I've just won a scum-game with eek as my buddy in the newbie queue where my activity/posts were nothing like this, but he's still scum-reading me?

I'd be happy with a metal/eek lynch today.

(If Aqua and Elyse are scum together, they have done a brilliant job and we should probably give up )

I think Bella's reasoning is terrible, but I don't think that she means what you think she means.

That is her main arguement for scum reading me. Look how she went from leaning town on me and then after I was pushing her, then she switched to scum reading me.

Also, that is one of her arguements for town reading tool.

[TheDudeAbides]

Plenty of experienced players are clueless, but anyway, why do you think that I am clueless?

[TheDudeAbides]

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm happier town-reading tool is that he is again highlighting eektor as being scummy. While his push on eek rung alarm bells for me when I replaced in, I think he's got some good points.

Also, I've just won a scum-game with eek as my buddy in the newbie queue where my activity/posts were nothing like this, but he's still scum-reading me?

I'd be happy with a metal/eek lynch today.

(If Aqua and Elyse are scum together, they have done a brilliant job and we should probably give up )

I think Bella's reasoning is terrible, but I don't think that she means what you think she means.

That is her main arguement for scum reading me. Look how she went from leaning town on me and then after I was pushing her, then she switched to scum reading me.

Also, that is one of her arguements for town reading tool.

I see now. I don't know what threw me off.

Anyway, I think that people need to stop using one game's worth of meta try reading people.

[eektor]

So what are your thoughts or reads in the game? If you had to vote right now, who would be the people you would want to vote for?

Plenty of experienced players are clueless, but anyway, why do you think that I am clueless?

Actually I'm starting to think you are scum. But if your town, let's figure this out. Only way to win is if town comes together. I wanted a no lynch but then I realized it isn't going to work. I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night and it's most likely the only one that is engaging everyone and the person that most of us trust as townie. If he's gone, I don't think town can get together the next day. Which is frustrating me, because I think town has basically given up this game and scum is content to sit back and watch this train wreck happen. So no I don't think a no lynch is a good idea.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night

What if you are wrong?

[TheDudeAbides]

So what are your thoughts or reads in the game? If you had to vote right now, who would be the people you would want to vote for?

I think that the most likely scum are Boon and Bella.

[eektor]

Anyway, one of the reasons I'm happier town-reading tool is that he is again highlighting eektor as being scummy. While his push on eek rung alarm bells for me when I replaced in, I think he's got some good points.

Also, I've just won a scum-game with eek as my buddy in the newbie queue where my activity/posts were nothing like this, but he's still scum-reading me?

I'd be happy with a metal/eek lynch today.

(If Aqua and Elyse are scum together, they have done a brilliant job and we should probably give up )

I think Bella's reasoning is terrible, but I don't think that she means what you think she means.

That is her main arguement for scum reading me. Look how she went from leaning town on me and then after I was pushing her, then she switched to scum reading me.

Also, that is one of her arguements for town reading tool.

I see now. I don't know what threw me off.

Anyway, I think that people need to stop using one game's worth of meta try reading people.

I guess what I was trying to say is that reason she has for scum reading me is not hard to change and since I knew how she acted in that game, she can easily change it. So there is no reason why I would see that change in her behavior and think she wasn't scum.

[eektor]

I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night

What if you are wrong?

If I'm wrong, that would be great because it eliminates one of the person that I'm not so sure about.