Mini 1651: One Flew Over The Monkey's Nest(Scum Wins!)

[TheDudeAbides]

Yes, I got that eventually. I agree that it's terrible.

[eektor]

So what are your thoughts or reads in the game? If you had to vote right now, who would be the people you would want to vote for?

I think that the most likely scum are Boon and Bella.

What about tool? Do you see anything scummy there? Or is it just Boon and Bella that are more obvious scum?

[TheDudeAbides]

I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night

What if you are wrong?

If I'm wrong, that would be great because it eliminates one of the person that I'm not so sure about.

This is why we should no lynch.

[TheDudeAbides]

So what are your thoughts or reads in the game? If you had to vote right now, who would be the people you would want to vote for?

I think that the most likely scum are Boon and Bella.

What about tool? Do you see anything scummy there? Or is it just Boon and Bella that are more obvious scum?

I have some town reads: Aqua, Eelyse, Metal. That leaves Boon, Bella, you and tool. I don't think that Tool and you are scum together.
POE says that the most likely scum is Boon or Bella.

[eektor]

I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night

What if you are wrong?

If I'm wrong, that would be great because it eliminates one of the person that I'm not so sure about.

This is why we should no lynch.

Well the other problem with a no lynch is if tool is town and he votes for me day 4, scum can win the game. Of course you have to believe both of us are most likely town, which I don't think anybody does. But that is something I am worried about.

[TheDudeAbides]

So what are your thoughts or reads in the game? If you had to vote right now, who would be the people you would want to vote for?

Plenty of experienced players are clueless, but anyway, why do you think that I am clueless?

Actually I'm starting to think you are scum. But if your town, let's figure this out. Only way to win is if town comes together. I wanted a no lynch but then I realized it isn't going to work. I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night and it's most likely the only one that is engaging everyone and the person that most of us trust as townie. If he's gone, I don't think town can get together the next day. Which is frustrating me, because I think town has basically given up this game and scum is content to sit back and watch this train wreck happen. So no I don't think a no lynch is a good idea.

that doesn't answer my question.

[TheDudeAbides]

You also never answered my question about your opinion of my vote on Mykonian.

[TheDudeAbides]

Bella could you tell me what you found opportunistic about Boon's case on Tool?

[eektor]

So what are your thoughts or reads in the game? If you had to vote right now, who would be the people you would want to vote for?

Plenty of experienced players are clueless, but anyway, why do you think that I am clueless?

Actually I'm starting to think you are scum. But if your town, let's figure this out. Only way to win is if town comes together. I wanted a no lynch but then I realized it isn't going to work. I'm pretty sure I know who will die at night and it's most likely the only one that is engaging everyone and the person that most of us trust as townie. If he's gone, I don't think town can get together the next day. Which is frustrating me, because I think town has basically given up this game and scum is content to sit back and watch this train wreck happen. So no I don't think a no lynch is a good idea.

that doesn't answer my question.

Because you weren't contributing anything, you weren't sharing your thoughts and reads. All you were doing was asking questions. If you are trying to keep your thoughts or findings to yourself, now is the time to share them.

[eektor]

You also never answered my question about your opinion of my vote on Mykonian.

I didn't like it. It was a naked vote. Also a bit suspicious since he was pushing you, albeit weakly.

[TheDudeAbides]

You also never answered my question about your opinion of my vote on Mykonian.

I didn't like it. It was a naked vote. Also a bit suspicious since he was pushing you, albeit weakly.

So you think I am scummy for something you did too?

[TheDudeAbides]

I can get behind a mykonian lynch.

VOTE: mykonian

He's at L-1 now.

[eektor]

You also never answered my question about your opinion of my vote on Mykonian.

I didn't like it. It was a naked vote. Also a bit suspicious since he was pushing you, albeit weakly.

So you think I am scummy for something you did too?

Mine wasn't naked and I have mentioned before that mykonian could be scum. Your vote was naked and nowhere earlier did you mention you were scum reading him. So yes we both voted for mykonian, but the circumstances surrounding your vote is very suspicious.

[Elyse]

@TDA
Scum are more likely to believe a weird claim by town because they know the person is town and has no reason to lie.

My townreads on Aqua and tool are stronger than my townread on you so that's why you're on my list but I'm confident the scum are in the pool are {Boon, Bella, metal, eektor}

@eektor
I think TDA's activity today has been protown, especially compared to the content of Bella, Boon, AND metal. I don't understand going after him for asking questions when there are three people who are barely doing anything. (Bella is doing a little I guess) If scum are hanging back and letting a wagon develop, I would look there first.

[Boonskiies]

Boonskies - town
Bellaphant - town
eektor - scum
TheDudeAbides - town
Elyse - scum
toolenduso - scum
Metalcyanide - town
Aquanim - town


I'm 100% correct on this.

[Elyse]

You're gonna need to explain those. So your vote on me was serious? And you did know what was going on? Huh.

[Aquanim]

I have been unable to find a game, scum or town, in which Boonskiies played this irredeemably badly.

Unfortunately, even that probably means nothing about his alignment.

[Aquanim]

From the perspective of associations at least, that team of his isn't 100% implausible.

Even so, the total lack of explanation is atrocious.

[Aquanim]

Wait... no, cancel that. He put Eektor and Tool on the same team?

Uh... I guess that's theoretically possible, but...

[Boonskiies]

Eh, if you look at the games where I've been 'perceived' as bad, it's my town games. So, take that for alignment worth really. Just keep in mind the scum team; I'm usually pretty good at calling it out when I'm not super active in games.

[Aquanim]

No, no... look. I read some town games, and I read a scum game or two. In ALL of them, you made some pretense of explaining your reads, which you haven't done here.

I am truly and completely uninterested in your own perception of your meta. It is worthless to me.

And when you get right down to it... I would policy lynch your play in any game I've seen of yours on principle. This game more than others. Even if I were to lose because of it, I think that would be worth making sure you never got to have fun with your playstyle in ANY game you played, town or scum. Maybe then you'd learn not to be a total fucking disgrace to the town alignment whenever you rolled it.

[Aquanim]

I don't care how good you think your reads are day 3 or 4, or even how good they actually are. If you're not generating material to read yourself and others in early days, you're not explaining your reads and pushing them to get them lynched, and you're not willing to compromise, you are totally worthless as a town player.

[Aquanim]

If nothing else, you get to have your """good""" reads lategame because players like me carried your sorry ass through days one and two. If everyone played like you, nothing of worth would happen for the first few days, there would be nothing to read, and scum would win like 80% of games.

I am sick and tired of having to carry towns because of the proportion which didn't give a toss about their wincon.

[Aquanim]

I don't even think Boonskiies is town this game, I'm just totally disgusted by the meta I just read.

[Elyse]

Preach