White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:23 am

In post 1046, Zachrulez wrote:Sotty's shutting me down on CES. She's firm on him being town and honestly I think this game is starting to confuse me to the point where I'm trying to see things that aren't there now.

Hard scum read on Cheery Dog, and that's what I really needed, for someone to confidentely put Cheery Dog into one category or another.

It's time to put old yeller out of his misery.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Cheery Dog

Huzzah! All aboard the Cheery Dogwagon!

In post 921, Regfan wrote:What do you make of CD's recent stuff, my team aren't reading Post 842 and Post 847 as town as I am, Zar thinks his "BoP" argument doesn't make an ounce of sense with his admission of not knowing my play or meta at all and him fabricating reasoning to push on me, I don't think I agree with him; I don't see scum!CD thinking he'd be able to get away with that reasoning at all and would know I'm not getting ML'ed here but Zar thinks scum always "push against the grain" to seem town so he's not reading it as a town-tell at all. I've probably phrased this all terribly but really overall do you see what I am there?

This looks real to me (especially the experiential "push against the grain" point) and pretty unlikely to have been cooked up for some nefarious purpose. I mean, it's very easy to accuse someone of fencesitting whenever their position is more complex than "X is town" or "X is scum" but that doesn't seem tenable when there's a clear and genuine source of disagreement.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:25 am

The second bit is in response to CD's 1049.

Equinox · Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:19 am

Vote Count 2.16Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee, Cheery Dog
Cheery Dog (2) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez
Aneninen (1) - Regfan
BlueBloodedToffee (1) - ika
ika (1) - theelkspeaks

Not Voting (2) - Aneninen, Tammy

With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, April 25, 2015, at 4:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-25 16:30:00).

Moderator CommentsEquinox is V/LA until April 22.
Regfan is V/LA until April 22.
BlueBloodedToffee is V/LA until April 23.

theelkspeaks · Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:31 am

I'm going to ISO CES now and see what I think, I'll try to get feedback from my team.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:49 am

Why CES?

Why not anybody else?

Ankamius · Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:22 am

Zachrulez: Can you ask sorry to substantiate the CES town read?

theelkspeaks · Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:29 am

In post 1054, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why CES?

Why not anybody else?

Because he's the leading wagon right now and I want to try to sort him better.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:30 am

Oh.

You should probably start with the person you think is most likely to be scum given we are short on time.

ika · Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:34 am

lol i got prodded

Zachrulez · Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:59 am

In post 1056, theelkspeaks wrote:
In post 1054, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why CES?

Why not anybody else?

Because he's the leading wagon right now and I want to try to sort him better.

Iso Cheery Dog and then vote him.

Much better lynch.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:05 am

In post 1055, Ankamius wrote:Zachrulez: Can you ask sorry to substantiate the CES town read?

She doesn't see anything from his play that points to him being scum. She's caught up to the game and gotten to the point about the Aeronaut progression and doesn't think it's a scumtell for CES.

It's more than enough for me to not want to lynch CES today.

Antihero · Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:30 am

oh, what? this is horseshit.

Antihero · Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:36 am

In post 1060, Zachrulez wrote:She doesn't see anything from his play that points to him being scum. She's caught up to the game and gotten to the point about the Aeronaut progression and doesn't think it's a scumtell for CES.

that's not substantiation

that's a turd on a plate

Tammy · Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:57 am

In post 1045, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1040, Tammy wrote:
Bbt - what made you drop your scum read on my slot?

Oversoul's posting before he left.

There is no way scum goes through all that effort before replacing out.

738 in particular.

Okay. I can see that.

Tammy · Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:00 am

In post 1047, Zachrulez wrote:
In post 819, Tammy wrote:I'm also happy to play with CES again as its been awhile, I just think he drew scum

Divine Sottyvention says he's town.

Why do you think he's scum?

What do you think of the way Cheery wormed onto his wagon?

He feels like he's giving the illusion of trying to figure out the game rather than figuring out the game. I also feel like he's playing up to regfan in a similar but more overt way as he did with empire in yoloville.

I've hated pretty much all of cheery dogs votes and reasons.

Ankamius · Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:21 am

So basically, CES is town because nothing indicates scum. There's no actual town in his points either?

Ankamius · Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:22 am

I would expect a stronger justification on a 'firm town read'.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:09 am

In post 1065, Ankamius wrote:So basically, CES is town because nothing indicates scum. There's no actual town in his points either?

The absence of one would imply the other?

She's said his play lines up with CES town and can see his thought process from a town POV.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:11 am

In post 1062, Antihero wrote:
In post 1060, Zachrulez wrote:She doesn't see anything from his play that points to him being scum. She's caught up to the game and gotten to the point about the Aeronaut progression and doesn't think it's a scumtell for CES.

that's not substantiation

that's a turd on a plate

You act like I just personally insulted your mother.

Do you think Cheery Dog is town? If so why? Does him being on the wagon not turn you off to the lynch in the least, in combination to how he slid his way right onto that wagon.

It's my turn to tell you I think you've got a loser here.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:12 am

In post 1064, Tammy wrote:
In post 1047, Zachrulez wrote:
In post 819, Tammy wrote:I'm also happy to play with CES again as its been awhile, I just think he drew scum

Divine Sottyvention says he's town.

Why do you think he's scum?

What do you think of the way Cheery wormed onto his wagon?

He feels like he's giving the illusion of trying to figure out the game rather than figuring out the game. I also feel like he's playing up to regfan in a similar but more overt way as he did with empire in yoloville.

I've hated pretty much all of cheery dogs votes and reasons.

I think CES approached White flag pretty similarly to this actually.

I mean I've been looking at him so hard to the point where I'm probably trying to see things that aren't there, and I'm not really seeing a scum case on him.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:19 am

Further to the point, I'm not afraid of CES scum slipping through to the end of the game without getting lynched.

I am starting to worry that could happen with Cheery scum. This town keeps coming up with reasons not to lynch him and that in itself tells me that I'm probably on the right track.

Tammy · Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:51 am

In post 1069, Zachrulez wrote:
In post 1064, Tammy wrote:
In post 1047, Zachrulez wrote:
In post 819, Tammy wrote:I'm also happy to play with CES again as its been awhile, I just think he drew scum

Divine Sottyvention says he's town.

Why do you think he's scum?

What do you think of the way Cheery wormed onto his wagon?

He feels like he's giving the illusion of trying to figure out the game rather than figuring out the game. I also feel like he's playing up to regfan in a similar but more overt way as he did with empire in yoloville.

I've hated pretty much all of cheery dogs votes and reasons.

I think CES approached White flag pretty similarly to this actually.

I mean I've been looking at him so hard to the point where I'm probably trying to see things that aren't there, and I'm not really seeing a scum case on him.

I read him as town so easily last white flag.

I mean I don't have a solid case on him or anything, but he doesn't feel right.

Oversouls has a gut town lean on cheery dog, which he can't really explain, and I think mostly stems from him admitting he put a token on scum. But, eh, I'd probably be okay with his lynch regardless as he himself has said he's got to go before lylo, I'm not crazy he did say that right?, and if he's town then people can do resets and I'd rather take care of that earlier than later.

I'll try to get some more concrete thoughts out today. I'm still pretty sick, but probably not with strep throat so yay!

Ankamius - will you ask mollie to please take a look at ika?

Ankamius · Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:10 am

mollie asked me if ika had called out to her; I said that he had but not recently and she returned with that being a bad sign. That's the entire conversation we had about it.

I'll try again, though.

Ankamius · Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:15 am

In post 1067, Zachrulez wrote:
In post 1065, Ankamius wrote:So basically, CES is town because nothing indicates scum. There's no actual town in his points either?

The absence of one would imply the other?

It doesn't, especially when it's a read that is apparently fairly strong. I'm very dubious of strong reads when I can't see the reasoning for myself.

In post 1067, Zachrulez wrote:She's said his play lines up with CES town and can see his thought process from a town POV.

How many times has sotty played with CES? When I played the other game with CES I linked in my list, the meta referenced was that he's easier to catch by eventually just looking at his play and not seeing a town mindset. How does this match up?

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:45 am

In post 1073, Ankamius wrote:When I played the other game with CES I linked in my list, the meta referenced was that he's easier to catch by eventually just looking at his play and not seeing a town mindset.

That sounds completely alien to me.

And that game was so dreadful. I just played badly and got tunneled by roflcopter even worse than Antihero is doing this game.