NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[Grib]

Kill, as in cause you to die.

[Ricastle]

Highly active?!?!? Wtf?

Got anything of value to say?

[RationalMadman]

Kill, as in cause you to die.

Are you claiming vigilante? Maybe I missed it but I didn't know you'd outed.

[Rubicon]

Creative and ricastle are virtually unreadable. they don't bleed town and don't bleed scum. both interact with others minimalistically and leave reading them near-impossible.

Hm. I wouldn't say this is my impression of either of them.

He also votes very opportunistically and barely at all.

What seemed opportunistic about his votes?

They seem genuine at a face level but what he's actually saying never adds up to what I presume si truth.

I dunno man, this sentence is like a textbook example of words that sound meaningful but actually mean nothing.

Skold and Klingon seem equally scummy to me. Neither seems to be paying much attention and both seem to not relate well with anyone else (yet, despite being abrasive, neither is being lynched indicating partners looking out for them).

I'm guessing you've only read part of the game by this point. But then, the last part is kind of a weird conclusion to reach based on only reading part of the game.

So yeah, there are some things about this post that strike me as off. I do like that you're diving right in and sharing your thoughts though.

[RationalMadman]

okay i'll defend give me some time

[RationalMadman]

Creative and ricastle are virtually unreadable. they don't bleed town and don't bleed scum. both interact with others minimalistically and leave reading them near-impossible.

Hm. I wouldn't say this is my impression of either of them.

You are actually the one who needs to show anything of either that wasn't pure fluff or unreadable garbage.

He also votes very opportunistically and barely at all.

What seemed opportunistic about his votes?

They seem genuine at a face level but what he's actually saying never adds up to what I presume is truth.

I dunno man, this sentence is like a textbook example of words that sound meaningful but actually mean nothing.

I'll take a nice townread on me, if you don't mind.

VOTE: Garmr

Voting the towniest player is just going to get you wagoned .

VOTE: jbomber

For example here, there was no way on Earth that warranted an actual Lynch. He didn't even give the guy a chance to defend.

His actions are never linked to what he's saying and what he says often makes little sense and is nonsense.

Here are other examples:

On the SAME PAGE as he just voted jbomber he suddenly suspects Grib and does this:

I don't understand the boon wagon but

Why are you so against a Boons lynch?

I am an uninformed townie and he has made literally one post.

fake edit: Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boonskiies

This had better be entertaining.

Scum just jumped on it

VOTE: grib

That makes absolutely no sense and is a totally unwarranted read?!

He says this:

Hey nero are you scum man. Because the nero I know is at least smart not just arrogant :p.

Yet he clearly has no meta that links nero playing dumb meaning he's scum. He randomly notices a change in nero's normal play and says Nero si usually smarter (is that as scum he's smarter or town?) It's a totally nonsensical thing to say and is a read of nothing at all in terms of Mafia.

Actually Megalo merely leeches this and mirrors the nonsensical read stating further about his stupidity:

Nero you're being really stupid and Grib is town. I'll have to come back later.

Neither Garmr nor Megalo discuss this further, whereas if they'd truly believed it they'd have passionately hounded him and pushed Nero to explain his sudden dumbtelling.

No, I'm really not.

Nero replies this and Garmr ignores it. Only later does Garmr address Nero by replying to a different post:

I know what I'm doing, bae. Don't be the scums helpers this game plox.

I will try to listen to you more this game but I really don't agree with boon being a scum lynch as he hasn't done anything scummy. Through he isn't that bad of a policy lynch if we have nothing but we do have something grib.

Oh he's suddenly his best friend? He'll suddenly listen and Nero si smart and arrogant again? What the hell?

In fact Garmr's entire gameplay is utter BS. Megalo could just be lazy town as opposed to scum but House's replacing of them and his sudden tryharding implies they may be lazy town since their replacement is not as lazy and clearly seems to contribute more.

Skold and Klingon seem equally scummy to me. Neither seems to be paying much attention and both seem to not relate well with anyone else (yet, despite being abrasive, neither is being lynched indicating partners looking out for them).

I'm guessing you've only read part of the game by this point. But then, the last part is kind of a weird conclusion to reach based on only reading part of the game.

Has either been led on? I'm not sure, I skimmed votes too. Not sure what to defend against that.

So yeah, there are some things about this post that strike me as off. I do like that you're diving right in and sharing your thoughts though.

[RationalMadman]

Sorry I formatted this wrong...

[RationalMadman]

Creative and ricastle are virtually unreadable. they don't bleed town and don't bleed scum. both interact with others minimalistically and leave reading them near-impossible.

Hm. I wouldn't say this is my impression of either of them.

You are actually the one who needs to show anything of either that wasn't pure fluff or unreadable garbage.

He also votes very opportunistically and barely at all.

What seemed opportunistic about his votes?

They seem genuine at a face level but what he's actually saying never adds up to what I presume is truth.

I dunno man, this sentence is like a textbook example of words that sound meaningful but actually mean nothing.

I'll take a nice townread on me, if you don't mind.

VOTE: Garmr

Voting the towniest player is just going to get you wagoned .

VOTE: jbomber

For example here, there was no way on Earth that warranted an actual Lynch. He didn't even give the guy a chance to defend.

His actions are never linked to what he's saying and what he says often makes little sense and is nonsense.

Here are other examples:

On the SAME PAGE as he just voted jbomber he suddenly suspects Grib and does this:

I don't understand the boon wagon but

Why are you so against a Boons lynch?

I am an uninformed townie and he has made literally one post.

fake edit: Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boonskiies

This had better be entertaining.

Scum just jumped on it

VOTE: grib

That makes absolutely no sense and is a totally unwarranted read?!

He says this:

Hey nero are you scum man. Because the nero I know is at least smart not just arrogant :p.

Yet he clearly has no meta that links nero playing dumb meaning he's scum. He randomly notices a change in nero's normal play and says Nero si usually smarter (is that as scum he's smarter or town?) It's a totally nonsensical thing to say and is a read of nothing at all in terms of Mafia.

Actually Megalo merely leeches this and mirrors the nonsensical read stating further about his stupidity:

Nero you're being really stupid and Grib is town. I'll have to come back later.

Neither Garmr nor Megalo discuss this further, whereas if they'd truly believed it they'd have passionately hounded him and pushed Nero to explain his sudden dumbtelling.

No, I'm really not.

Nero replies this and Garmr ignores it. Only later does Garmr address Nero by replying to a different post:

I know what I'm doing, bae. Don't be the scums helpers this game plox.

I will try to listen to you more this game but I really don't agree with boon being a scum lynch as he hasn't done anything scummy. Through he isn't that bad of a policy lynch if we have nothing but we do have something grib.

Oh he's suddenly his best friend? He'll suddenly listen and Nero si smart and arrogant again? What the hell?

In fact Garmr's entire gameplay is utter BS. Megalo could just be lazy town as opposed to scum but House's replacing of them and his sudden tryharding implies they may be lazy town since their replacement is not as lazy and clearly seems to contribute more.

Skold and Klingon seem equally scummy to me. Neither seems to be paying much attention and both seem to not relate well with anyone else (yet, despite being abrasive, neither is being lynched indicating partners looking out for them).

I'm guessing you've only read part of the game by this point. But then, the last part is kind of a weird conclusion to reach based on only reading part of the game.

Has either been led on? I'm not sure, I skimmed votes too. Not sure what to defend against that.

So yeah, there are some things about this post that strike me as off. I do like that you're diving right in and sharing your thoughts though.

[Klingoncelt]

So how the fuck is that grounds to FoS him? What was your motive behind making that statement?

His obsession over a trivial post. The paranoia's ridiculous.

[elusive]

Strike 2 for the madman

[Bellaphant]

oh and bella, this is a game where all are suspects... you were a name brought up, you are worth exploring, others are as well... why the "why me" response?

It's not really a 'why me' response, it's a 'can you be clearer about people who did a similar thing and have avoided the same attention'. Take it as curiosity. All are suspects, after all.


Hi Rational Madman! Interesting entrance. Any thoughts on the replacements? Also, am I right in thinking that on your read through, your top scum-reads were skold/klingon?

[Klingoncelt]

I really don't understand why you think it's suspicious that Nero is confident that House is scum. On the same token, House was pretty damn sure that I am town. It would be easier for scum to clarify someone is town than mafia because the mafia knows which is which, town don't.

In your logic shouldn't you be FoSing House over Nero on this point?

Also, to clarify i'm not scum reading House here, just pointing out the confusing logic in Klingoncelt's posts.

Jesus Christ on a crutch.

I think that Nero's confidence could be

faked

, get it?

Like a Scum player saying they think another player is Scum. Do they really think that other player is Scum? No. They're faking it.

Nero's "read" may

OR MAY NOT

be genuine and from the heart. Therefore, it's null.

However, since he's flogging it until there's nothing left but blood-soaked skeletal remains, he's either the most dedicated Townie ever, or he's Scum.


Have none of you rolled Scum in a Mafia game before? Do you know nothing of Scum strategy?

FoS basically means that you have someone

LEANING

Scum.

If I were sure he's Scum, I would have voted for him.

[Klingoncelt]

And I'm known for having confusing logic.

[Klingoncelt]

@Rational Madman, here's a list of the current players:

1. (Bewilderbeast)/replaced by Bellaphant
2. Boonskiies
3. Creative
4. Davesaz
5. Elusive
6. Errantparabola
7. (Garmr)/replaced by Xayzeck
8. Grib - Townblock
9. (Jbomber7320)/replaced by Vampirate
10. (Kitz)/replaced by Rational Madman
11. Klingoncelt
12. (Megalo)/replaced by House
13. Nero Cain
14. PeaceBringer
15. PointYBagelS
16. Ricastle
17. Rubicon

And here's a list of the Dead:

Skold, Vanilla Townie - lynched D1

[PointYBagelS]

I've been busy and I think I'm going to go V/LA until Tuesday. I'll try to post as much as I can though. Anyway here's my reply to Vampirate

I've now reread both of their ISOs, and it is pretty clear that Vampirate is scum.

Well that's just your opinion man.

Vampirate seems to have legitimately scumread 2 people, Skold and Xayzeck (plus Ricastle, to an extent). Despite calling Xayzeck out for being anti-town, he never changes his vote. While I understand the worry that Xayzeck might be an easy mislynch due to his lurkiness, I don't understand why a town-Vampirate wouldn't think the same of Skold, who also lurked through most of his wagon. This double standard to me implies that he's not legitimately scumreading anyone, and is just putting up appearances.

You're twisting the story here. I voted Skold on the basis of survival, period. I didn't know one way or the other if he was scum but it was better than voting myself here, I was null on Skold, I didn't Scum read him. As for Xayzeck, I said he was the easy lynch straight away due to his lurky anti town behavior, I NEVER SAID I WAS SCUM READING HIM, AND THEREFORE DID NOT VOTE HIM. If I scum read him I would have switched my vote, 0/2 here. Are you referring to my reply to Elusive's post? Obviously, pretty much anyone would say that lynching someone they don't know the alignment of would be better than lynching themselves. How is this scum reading Xay? The only part you have right was I was scum reading Ricastle at the time due. I've since been pretty null on him though.

Additionally, Vampirate has done very little, if any, actual scumhunting. He's asked questions but nothing really substantial. Mostly he's just asked people to clarify what they were saying.

Fair enough but why are you signaling myself out when you already said you find House scummy, and are blaming me for the things Xayzeck has done.

So we have someone who reaches questionable conclusions, has not scumhunted, replaced in for someone who was already scummy, is borderline lurking. If quacks like a duck...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vampirate

It's a moose : P

Judging by this, you're scum reading House but you want to vote myself over him, you're also twisting the story to suit your own purposes and while reading Xay's and my ISO are scum reading me for the same things Xay was doing? This feels like you're setting me up to be honest, smells of manipulation. I haven't voted for you....yet.

Since you think i'm the most obvious scum over Xay, what is your take on him?

You never said you were scumreading Xay, but in 991 you did say that Xayzeck was doing something anti town. Admittedly anti town is not scummy but they go hand in hand.

As for house, I'm still null-scum reading him, but at the very least he acted in a way that isn't impossible for town.

I'm absolutely also scumreading Xay, for many of the same reason. Don't think that just because you're the one I voted for means he's off the hook. If people would rather wagon him I'd probably switch, but at the moment I am finding you scummier.

What are your thoughts on Xay right now?

[Ricastle]

His obsession over a trivial post. The paranoia's ridiculous.

The FoS came before Nero's "obsession". You initially FoSed him based on the reasoning that he could be scum; why did you do

that

?

[Grib]

Kill, as in cause you to die.

Are you claiming vigilante? Maybe I missed it but I didn't know you'd outed.

Haven't you heard? Apparently I'm a Serial Killer.

[Klingoncelt]

His obsession over a trivial post. The paranoia's ridiculous.

The FoS came before Nero's "obsession". You initially FoSed him based on the reasoning that he could be scum; why did you do

that

?

The trivial post is why I FoS'd him. It was meaningless for him to say what he did. And there was all the arguing with House.

I have them both at Null right now. House is looking Townish kinda sorta. Nero is looking Scummish kinda sorta. But they're both grey right now.

[Klingoncelt]

Kill, as in cause you to die.

Are you claiming vigilante? Maybe I missed it but I didn't know you'd outed.

Haven't you heard? Apparently I'm a Serial Killer.

That's twice you've said that.

Why?

[Grib]

I occasionally like to tell jokes.

[RationalMadman]

oh and bella, this is a game where all are suspects... you were a name brought up, you are worth exploring, others are as well... why the "why me" response?

It's not really a 'why me' response, it's a 'can you be clearer about people who did a similar thing and have avoided the same attention'. Take it as curiosity. All are suspects, after all.


Hi Rational Madman! Interesting entrance. Any thoughts on the replacements? Also, am I right in thinking that on your read through, your top scum-reads were skold/klingon?

I'm really sorry for my mess up I had no idea Skold was dead.

Klingon yes, he's very scummy to me but I don't know if he plays 'middle' even as town or if this is specifically his scumplay. I'd be willing to lynch him though, but would much prefer a Xen/Graf lynch as despite Xen being an okayish player post-replacement, Graf did not towntell at all. He made consistently no sense and contradicted himself over and over.

I'd most like a Xen lynch but there doesn't seem to be the consensus for it so I'm not sure to lead a bw or not.

[RationalMadman]

Well I had idea following it, but I wrote that reading only like the first 20 pages.

[Nero Cain]

The trivial post is why I FoS'd him. It was meaningless for him to say what he did.

Why are you changing your story here? If you thought my post was trivial and uneeded why not just say that? Instead, you've been pushing this "oh Nero could be faking his read on House!" so it looks to me like you are changing your story b/c what you were saying wasn't sticking.

but I mean, if your reason for light scum reading me is effectively "he could be scum, he could be faking his read on House!" How does that not apply to anyone else? We all had the same 5.5% chance of getting a scum pm, and you could apply the same reasoning to anyone else so why am I special?

Also, if you think that I could "fake" my scum read on House why are you not concerned with the, yknow, folks (like House) that pushed a mislynch?

[Xayzeck]

Can you tell me why Boon is scum?

Because he's done shit this game.

He's either just super lurk town or scum, but his content doesn't suggest he's gotten reads or he's trying to figure out something, he's posting for the sake of

[Xayzeck]

Why? KC is catching a bit of heat today, and this all seems to come out no-where?

Based off Nero's list yesterday I slotted him under scum kinda because nothing really stood out, but I feel his recent posts have been more pushing and towny, so I feel better about him not being scum.