Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Patrick]

She's been calling ETL scum for a few rl days now. She feels like ETL's thought processes haven't made any sense, and not in a townish hopping around kind of way, she feels like ETL has been taking the stances that help her most or that she feels she ought to have. She doesn't like ETL's certainly on bbmolla town after previously not trusting that much, really didn't like her analysis at the end of the day (that ended up you and ETL fighting over), and didn't like ETLs 808 in response to bbmolla sounding depressed - she felt like that was scum having a different emotional response to town because scum are ahead (she also admitted to likely confirmation bias here). She'll probably tell me off for not representing her thoughts very well, but this is mainly off the cuff here.

And really, what speaks against this? Not much. Because ETL hasn't been making alot of sense this game, so its basically just gut saying that these points aren't as important as they seem. (I've played skype mafia with ETL before, and couldn't follow most of her thought processes when she town or scum).

But there is a decent chance she's scum, just based on POE. Realistically I'm making a choice between voting what I think (which is Johnny), or trusting Fenchurch's read of the game, which might simply be better than mine. While writing this, CDB showed up and expressed a preference for lynching Johnny.

[Quilford]

huuuurgh

[Patrick]

are you in Aussie? Is it the middle of the night? Can you do words as well as sounds at this hour?

[Quilford]

Ya. it's 11:14 pm but im an utter lightweight

[Quilford]

i wish i was a three shot vig and could just kill all of JF, ETL and BBmolla rn (unless one of them ccs BS obv)

[Mina]

Why did those links made you feel good about Patrick? I clicked on the 2014 UK link first (not knowing the other link was the Scumdon game), and skimmed thinking that was going to be the

town

game until I got to the end. AAAAAAAH! Where did I get the impression I can read Patrick? ;____________________;

(I'll put as a disclaimer that Regfan also thinks that there are differences--maybe I'm just really awful at Mafia, because I didn't notice any of the stuff he did upon my skim--and that Fenchurch's ETL read is not faked, but I'd like to hear what you come up with as well.)

Quilford, you should go to bed and set your alarm for like a few hours before the lynch. I'll be around at deadline, so we can wait for you to come back before ending it. But if Johnny doesn't clarify his claim before the deadline, we lynch Johnny. That shit won't stand.

[Mina]

Also, in more TRUST NO ONE news:

BBmolla in a similar situation as scum.

[Quilford]

miiina i thought Patrick's analysis was

so much

shallower and less precise in the first link, not to mention that so much of it was meta as well, not something I've seen in such large quantities from him this game. town!Patrick is really putting a lot into his work in the second link, it's not obvious because he's tonally similar across alignments, but it shows I think.

But now that they've made you feel worse about Patrick I FEEL WORSE TOO >:IIII

[Quilford]

also yeah that bb link is not at all reassuring

[Quilford]

My order of lynch preference (most to least and barring a cc obv)

JohnnyFarrar
ETL
BBmolla
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Patrick
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Mina

[JohnnyFarrar]

I didn't claim anything? I meant if Brian is lying then he shouldn't be counterclaimed.

@Mina The only thing I can think of that could be considered townie from ETL is the conviction with which she posts (Like she's not afraid of getting lynched).

[JohnnyFarrar]

Quil how did we jump from "Johnny for town IMO" to me being your top lynch preference? You should vote ETL instead

[zoraster]

Day 2

EspeciallyTheLies ( 1 )

JohnnyFarrar

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(L - 3 )

Quilford ( 1 )

EspeciallyTheLies

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(L - 3 )

JohnnyFarrar ( 2 )

Brian Skies

Patrick

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(L - 2 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 3 )

Mina BBMolla Quilford

Total Votes ( 7 )

Needed to Lynch [ 4 ]

Deadline: April 26th at 20:00 EDT
(expired on 2015-04-26 20:00:00)

@zoraster

, did you miss my vote on Johnny? It was on a new line and everything.

Johnny's reaction kinda makes me feel happier with it? Even setting aside the utter weirdness, I think town is more likely to be confused as hell and that doesn't really read that way.

I did. It actually wasn't on its own line though, which is probably why I missed it. Wasn't purposefully ignored anyway. Corrected now.

[Patrick]

I didn't claim anything? I meant if Brian is lying then he shouldn't be counterclaimed.

If he's lying he should absolutely be counterclaimed now. We're not in lylo today, so a counterclaim situation puts us at worst in a 1 for 1 trade, at best just a scum lynch. If we hit lylo tomorrow and there's a counterclaim, we're stuck in a position of having to get it right or losing immediately.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Point taken.

[Mina]

Apparently, it hasn't been taken.

*where I'd dramatically vote you if ETL still hadn't checked in*

There were like 3-4 people who could get away with softclaims and maybe be believed. You're not one of them. You don't get to give yourself ANY wiggle room to come out and go, "Hey, guys, I'm totally the real watcher" in LYLO.

[Mina]

Claim.

[BBmolla]

Mina I also basically helped break that setup as scum and put myself in an autolose situation

The correct scum move here is to have strong reads not fumble about

But fair enough

[BBmolla]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=55451

^like this. This would be how I would be playing if I actually just wanted to survive

I'm actually quite dandy being lynched today if you're suspicious of me.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Claim.

VT. Thought that was obvious.

[Mina]

But why did you say the whole thing about "not willing to risk a counterclaim" in the first place as a VT?

(And Molla, I didn't WANT to lynch you today, but somehow, every post you make is worse and worse! So if you're actually town, please be readable and town, kthx.)

[Patrick]

Where's your head at Mina?

[JohnnyFarrar]

But why did you say the whole thing about "not willing to risk a counterclaim" in the first place as a VT?

Because I was under the impression that having the real watcher alive and still hidden would be best, but what Patrick said made sense

[Mina]

Where's your head at Mina?

That I want to cry.

And I hated JF's not-counterclaim (although he didn't go anywhere with it, so...uh), but I can't even be sure of my motives because I'm thrilled for any excuse to believe at least one of my suspicions was right.

Also, I think you have a very real chance of being scum right now.

[Mina]

I'm actually awful at Mafia, and I'm murdering Empire for dragging me into this.