I can't quite understand Tbone's claim either. On one hand I did also feel that he had no reason to claim out of nowhere if he was scum, given there was no pressure on him, which is why I was supporting that was town. But then the exact same can be said for claiming it as town - just why? What did he accomplish by claiming that? And then there's his explanation for doing it, which sucks, and the "I wanted to see what you would do" to Ceph. I just can't see any possible town motivation for that.
Like I said, after being rung up to L-2 yesterday, I expected to be rung up today and decided to out my information. And one of the things I did was test Ceph with a vague claim to see if he would scum-panic or not. Like I don't understand how that is not clear and where anyone is having trouble understanding. I'm certainly not going to let myself get lynched knowing these things.
When you are scum and someone asks what action you took, you sometimes panic and name a plausible target (e.g., because you assume that town must have some kind of positive track result). This ends in you claiming contrary to the result and being caught. I inferred that this was what T-Bone was attempting.
One weird thing is that he did this only to Cephrir. At the time, I assumed this was because only Cephrir took an action. But he later claimed that neither of them took an action. Weirderer, Cephrir IMPLIED that he had taken an action (though not 100%) and T-Bone didn't jump on it. Though Cephrir's relevant content (something like "Why would you ever do that given what the answer is?") could just be saying "Why do that when you know I didn't target anyone?"
He since claimed that he did it only to Cephrir because he was more likely to get a good result on Cephrir (which I assumed meant Cephrir took an action unlike Eddie, but was apparently actually just a reference to Cephrir's activity level).
In post 2127, T-Bone wrote:Like I said, after being rung up to L-2 yesterday, I expected to be rung up today and decided to out my information. And one of the things I did was test Ceph with a vague claim to see if he would scum-panic or not. Like I don't understand how that is not clear and where anyone is having trouble understanding. I'm certainly not going to let myself get lynched knowing these things.
Meh, it was pretty unnecessary concern on your part IMO. Today was going to be about assessing the alternawagon (Cabd) and how in the hell Katsuki ended up getting lynched.
My inference from that at the time was that Cephrir had taken an action (unlike Eddie), which was why you pressured Cephrir, but Cephrir had targeted someone that implied his alignment was town, so he was indignant.
The reality is that no one targeted anyone.
Which means Cephrir (and Wisdom) are probably town unless they are a ninja or the scum have 2 goons. Or T-Bone is scum with them.
Oh, to me he was implying he took no action which I knew to be true. And then we went into the whole thing as to why I did it.
It doesn't mean anything about their alignment, it just means neither of them could have carried out the kill. If scum they could have x-shot abilities and not used them. In Wisdom's case he could have a night action and was unable to carry it out. Out of 11 players in the game I know for sure 3 of them (me, Ceph, Wis) did not carry out the kill last night and that is huge.
I think it was worth me pointing out 'these players didn't do the kill', but I can't make the inference that they are more likely one alignment over the other.
In post 2133, Iecerint wrote:Which means Cephrir (and Wisdom) are probably town unless they are a ninja or the scum have 2 goons. Or T-Bone is scum with them.
In post 2136, T-Bone wrote:I think it was worth me pointing out 'these players didn't do the kill', but I can't make the inference that they are more likely one alignment over the other.
The chance of their being scum is lower just with that, because there is one scum slot that they cannot inhabit. It drops more than that when you add the inference that scum PRs take a targeted action that isn't the kill, but like you point out there are exceptions that keep this from being absolute.
Pedit: @Wisdom - Something like that would functionally fit into my "2 goons" scenario. The logic is just that scum night-PRs and scum killers target people, so the type of scum remaining is less than the baseline. It applies to your slot, too.
I got lynched in my game (ask your moronic brain damaged teammates about that, if you can comprehend their idiotic babbling) and LLD has been bitching about how much this game sucked basically since it started.
If you're in a game that I'm in, I'll avoid it because I don't want this to happen, yet you actively sought out this game and agreed to replace into it...knowing that I'm in it...and are just saying you're going to hammer me no matter what at L-1 and bringing personal shit into it?
