NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[PeaceBringer]

actually that is you're funny

[Nero Cain]

Dude, KC is pretty horrible. I mean its possible that she's just really bad but that whole "FOS Nero for reasons that others are doing" and then borrow from the school of House scum play and ad hom me.

Why do you find her town?

[House]

Errant

kinda fell of for me day 2.

Really liked

RationalMadman

contribution so far, very different than previous interactions of the slot, i'm townreading him for now.

Boonskies

seems kinda relaxed on his posts, but i don´t know if that is alignment indicative on his case, don´t really like the way he said more than once about how

Nero

and

House

were TvT, don´t understand the motivation behind that.

I actually like

Elusive

points on

Ricastle

, don´t think they sould be trashed.

I don´t think

Grib

playstyle is very healthy for town, a lot of people that i townread read him as town though, so i'm fine with that.

Vampirate

seems very defensive even though he is under a lot of fire.

I'm still townreading both

PointyBagels

and

Rubicon

.

Xayzeck

seems pretty meh, would appreciate if you explain why u townread

Klingoncelt

.

Klingoncelt

and

PeaceBringer

are playing scummy IMO.
.

The bolded looks like something scum would say to discourage PoE. This makes me question my read on Nero and suspect Creative more.

[House]

Dude, KC is pretty horrible. I mean its possible that she's just really bad but that whole "FOS Nero for reasons that others are doing" and then borrow from the school of House scum play and ad hom me.

Why do you find her town?

Don't feel special. I ad hom all people that make stupid posts.

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(4):

Boonskiies, Vampirate, Ricastle, Nero Cain

Ricastle

(3):

PeaceBringer, elusive, Klingoncelt

Vampirate

(1):

PointYBagelS

RationalMadman

(1):

Errantparabola

Xayzeck

(1):

Grib

Nero Cain

(1):

House

Not Voting

(6):

Bellaphant, davesaz, RationalMadman, Creative, Xayzeck, Rubicon

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-05-06 11:00:00)

[Ricastle]

There's also serial killer I mean no serial killer Ricastle.

Do you think I'm an SK? Or are you just flinging shit around?

I also find Ricastle's scum list to be hilarious. You've been on Grib since day one, calling him an SK because you didn't think he was mafia. Now what do you think he is since there is no SK? Mafia, a wee little leprechaun?

I've given up on hoping you'll read my posts at this point, but anyway.

I have been trying to look for a reason as to how scum!Grib got into the townbloc when really, it's been obvious all along - you are scum with him. Rubicon didn't really do anything to perpetuate the townbloc; I can't remember if he's even taken advantage of it at all. He can be town, as while it's unrealistic for one friend to fool two, it certainly is realistic for two friends to fool one.

As much as it confuses me, Klingon is correct about one thing - the townbloc has not been used for offense. It's been used for defence, and there is clear scum motivation behind that.

Obviously you don't know our history.

Why do you think Elusive, Grib & Peace are Scum?

No amount of history makes Schrodinger's Read logical.

Most of why I think Grib is scum should be known by now. His towngame does not match up to this game, as you and others are claiming it does, and he's done next to nothing for most of the game.

Elusive's push on me is a counterwagon to you; this will become clearer at a later date. She's pretty much taking half my ISO out of context and using it to press points I've already answered. Also, the above.

Peace is scum because his actions seem to revolve around knowing more than town should. 1448 also pinged me pretty hard - aside from the town angle, he could either be setting up for more towncred or using prior towncred to defend a buddy. It seems a lot more likely to come from scum, in general. This read is also mainly based on something that will be apparent later down the line.

Pointing out terrible logic is not white knighting, dear child.

Isn't it a bit rude to ask me about my reads but when I ask you why you are town reading House you ignore me?

I think Xay is scum, he's voting scum.

Ah, yeah, sorry. The words weren't with me at the time. I liked his initiative D1 and his pushes for the most part. He's not done anything that stuck out as town today and as I said he's null rn.

I don't know about manipulative. I think you've both muddied each other so much during your arguments that you're going to scumread each other no matter what for the rest of the game, so I don't intend to take a stance on it.

[House]

I think you've both muddied each other so much during your arguments that you're going to scumread each other no matter what for the rest of the game, so I don't intend to take a stance on it.

I'm kinda doubting Nero is scum lately. Refer to post 1527.

[elusive]

House, what do you think of Ricastle? I kind of dislikes it lots but I'm trying to be more objective for now.

He claims I'm pushing a counterwagon to KC when I've been clear about who I want to be lynched and unsure on KC.

The misrep is annoying but is it derp town or scum?

[Ricastle]

lol. Of course you aren't going to say it's a counterwagon, that's the point.

[House]

House, what do you think of Ricastle? I kind of dislikes it lots but I'm trying to be more objective for now.

He claims I'm pushing a counterwagon to KC when I've been clear about who I want to be lynched and unsure on KC.

The misrep is annoying but is it derp town or scum?

He is a counterwagon to KC, regardless of anyone's particular read on him. That's an objective fact. Whether it was intentionally so or not is up for debate.

I'm not sure how I feel about Ricastle. I've been waiting to see how this push plays out.

I'm not crazy about his 1530, though.

[PeaceBringer]

Peace is scum because his actions seem to revolve around knowing more than town should. 1448 also pinged me pretty hard - aside from the town angle, he could either be setting up for more towncred or using prior towncred to defend a buddy. It seems a lot more likely to come from scum, in general. This read is also mainly based on something that will be apparent later down the line.

this how statement is rich. You have a culture here where folks make broad proclamations like you just did. Now in this statement you accuse me of knowing more than I should. The only people who should think I know more than I should would be scum. And in general, it is not a bad play for town to have scum think they know more than they should, for you know, reasons. FYI, guess what, I don't play the garner town cred game. I don't care if I look town or not. I have thoughts, I put them out there. Hey, I think KC is town. Listen to me or not. Ultimately the run up is not a huge deal. So basically if town, you are making weak reads based on silly assumptions. Now if scum, trying to identify targets that may push a run up at one point or another, as you said, down the line, then your comments make more sense here. Of course if you are worried more then what I should, you may just keep your mouth shut and take care of business. But if would rather see me lynched then other option, well, then this commentary makes sense.

[PeaceBringer]

I don't know about manipulative. I think you've both muddied each other so much during your arguments that you're going to scumread each other no matter what for the rest of the game, so I don't intend to take a stance on it.

speaking of sounding like know more than should, well...

[PeaceBringer]

I think you've both muddied each other so much during your arguments that you're going to scumread each other no matter what for the rest of the game, so I don't intend to take a stance on it.

I'm kinda doubting Nero is scum lately. Refer to post 1527.

Nero being scum would dumbfound me

[Ricastle]

speaking of sounding like know more than should, well...

Well...what are you getting at?

"I told you folks skold was a bad vote..." <-- That is fishing for towncred.

[PeaceBringer]

Well...what are you getting at?

your language used and way you are discussing things sounds like you more than "should." In particular that comment I highlighted.

And I would argue that my statement is arguing for folks to attend to what I say regarding who is and who is not town... nothing more, nothing less. I actually do not expect folks to listen to me, because they typically do not, as folks like made up reasons...

[House]

Ricastle

is definitely town!

I made that conclusion a long time ago. I have now concluded skold is town.
So town
Nero
Skold
Ricastle
me
everyone else suspect

What happened to this, Peace?

[PeaceBringer]

Ricastle

is definitely town!

I made that conclusion a long time ago. I have now concluded skold is town.
So town
Nero
Skold
Ricastle
me
everyone else suspect

What happened to this, Peace?

I changed my mind on ricastle based on his play. Based on his initial responses I thought town, well, now I do not.

[Ricastle]

Well...what are you getting at?

your language used and way you are discussing things sounds like you more than "should." In particular that comment I highlighted.

And I would argue that my statement is arguing for folks to attend to what I say regarding who is and who is not town... nothing more, nothing less. I actually do not expect folks to listen to me, because they typically do not, as folks like made up reasons...

I'm really lost as to how you're getting that from my post honestly. Pinpoint what's ticking you off.

You would argue? That's remarkably indecisive, considering as you wrote the post you should know for a fact the meaning behind it. Also, you more or less just described fishing for towncred.

[PeaceBringer]

Well...what are you getting at?

your language used and way you are discussing things sounds like you more than "should." In particular that comment I highlighted.

And I would argue that my statement is arguing for folks to attend to what I say regarding who is and who is not town... nothing more, nothing less. I actually do not expect folks to listen to me, because they typically do not, as folks like made up reasons...

I'm really lost as to how you're getting that from my post honestly. Pinpoint what's ticking you off.

You would argue? That's remarkably indecisive, considering as you wrote the post you should know for a fact the meaning behind it. Also, you more or less just described fishing for towncred.

You are talking as if you know for fact that Nero vs House is town and town. I have come to believe that at this point. As to the "fishing for town cred" if that is your definition of it, then it is wtf people around here do with nearly every post... and while I would like to be heard, I damn well do not expect it... I share my thoughts, make my posts the way I do. I am not angry. I find you doing what you accused "Skold" of doing, looking back, which was making something out of nothing. You talk about me taking a complete change of mind and tact, well so have you.

[House]

FOSing is null behavior. It is the kind of nonsense that leads to myslynches, kind of like the nonsense that led to a skold myslynch.
In fact

Vote Ricastle...

So after townreading Ricastle so hard all of D1, you vote him over "null behavior"?

Please explain.

[PeaceBringer]

FOSing is null behavior. It is the kind of nonsense that leads to myslynches, kind of like the nonsense that led to a skold myslynch.
In fact

Vote Ricastle...

So after townreading Ricastle so hard all of D1, you vote him over "null behavior"?

Please explain.

he moved beyond null behavior. I was just reading back over his ISO just now. He could simply be a stubborn, arrogant, bad player who is town. He expresses extensive confidence in his reads. He will not attend to anyone elses thoughts. He exhibits in my mind, excessive attention to what others think so much that he even counted the # of people who town read him day one. He seemed legitmately thinking things through and probing on day one. So, certainly he has earned a drop in a town read at this point. Now, ask him why he changed his mind r/t me and what he ascertained was a town read in 580? Why do you care more about me than him?

[PeaceBringer]

FYI- I defened Skold as I understood the reactions skold had to me and they were typical for here. I understood the playstyle elements that were getting reactions from others. There was never a sound reason. I preferred to lynch the Xay slot as Garmr prematurely claimed and xay has done nothing. Since a vig does not seem to be active or willing to clean up the chafe we essentially are now stuck with that slot. FYI, I lean grib town for his reaction to Xay at this point. Xay could well be as claimed but it is going to remain mucky. FYI, I do not like Ricastle's well, skold shoulda played difference nonsense in relation to being wrong on Skold.

Now as to KC, sure, KC has really been doing nothing. So either KC is a purposefully lurking scum who does not do anything, or KC is just simply dead space. So, no loss if run up, but I lean town on KC as the exchanges she has had, make sense to me from a town perspective.

And I would actually rather pursue suspects other than Ricastle, but ricastle essentially is demanding my attention with his play. I am actually trying to sort out if he is just an arrogant ass or is scum. It is one or the other. Of course he can be an arrogant ass and still be scum.

[House]

FOSing is null behavior. It is the kind of nonsense that leads to myslynches, kind of like the nonsense that led to a skold myslynch.
In fact

Vote Ricastle...

So after townreading Ricastle so hard all of D1, you vote him over "null behavior"?

Please explain.

he moved beyond null behavior. I was just reading back over his ISO just now. He could simply be a stubborn, arrogant, bad player who is town. He expresses extensive confidence in his reads. He will not attend to anyone elses thoughts. He exhibits in my mind, excessive attention to what others think so much that he even counted the # of people who town read him day one. He seemed legitmately thinking things through and probing on day one. So, certainly he has earned a drop in a town read at this point. Now, ask him why he changed his mind r/t me and what he ascertained was a town read in 580? Why do you care more about me than him?

Sounds fair.

I'm looking into both of you. You're posting at the moment, so I figured I'd ask you first.

[PeaceBringer]

FOSing is null behavior. It is the kind of nonsense that leads to myslynches, kind of like the nonsense that led to a skold myslynch.
In fact

Vote Ricastle...

So after townreading Ricastle so hard all of D1, you vote him over "null behavior"?

Please explain.

he moved beyond null behavior. I was just reading back over his ISO just now. He could simply be a stubborn, arrogant, bad player who is town. He expresses extensive confidence in his reads. He will not attend to anyone elses thoughts. He exhibits in my mind, excessive attention to what others think so much that he even counted the # of people who town read him day one. He seemed legitmately thinking things through and probing on day one. So, certainly he has earned a drop in a town read at this point. Now, ask him why he changed his mind r/t me and what he ascertained was a town read in 580? Why do you care more about me than him?

Sounds fair.

I'm looking into both of you. You're posting at the moment, so I figured I'd ask you first.

fair enough

[PeaceBringer]

The funny thing is, for a moment, Ricastle considered something I said, and pointed out someone that could be amiss, and then went completely different direction un-related to the discussion at the time. This also drew my attention. We had a discussion on possible reactions and what scum might do. Some suspects were discussed and rather than purusing that line, he decides to push low hanging fruit imo... It seemed to shift from trying to sort thing out to identifying who might be targets to be lynched easily.
No of course, my being in that list drew my attention further, that is only natural.