Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Patrick]

If Quilford is scum, why didn't he try to lynch you instead of Johnny yesterday? I'd say he had pretty good opportunity.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

And for the record, please I do not want pity or apologies or anything like that. I am NOT trying to appeal to emotion. I am NOT trying to defend against scumreads with it. I just want to stop hearing about my activity level as a way to determine my alignment because it is not fucking related, and that annoys me. Finals are over, and while I have engagements beginning tonight until Monday morning, I will be checking in more frequently.

p-edit: did he have a good opportunity? With his biggest ally Mina shouting about not lynching me without me posting?

[Mina]

<V/LA breaking>

However, that does tell me that his partner is definitely on the wagon.

Why can't it be BBmolla? (He was on your wagon by the end.)

Also, what will it take for me to convince you that Quilford is town? (I'm not sure it's necessary to sway you in order to win the game, but it's worth a try if it means this will be over more quickly and with fewer arguments.)

p-edit: Actually, ETL, it was the opposite: we were GOING to lynch you because you hadn't claimed (better you be lynched and flip watcher, damning Brian Skies, than you not show up and counterclaim Brian Skies and LYLO).

</V/LA breaking>

[Patrick]

I think you need to read the end of yesterday again, ETL.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

The biggest issue with quilford is that I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and my

whole team

thinks he's scum, especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened. I'm supposed to ignore all that in favor of a single player's one-game meta on him? I just can't do that anymore.

p-edit: I suppose it

could

be. I'm having a hard time feeling that over quil.

p-edit: I plan to.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

p-edit: Actually, ETL, it was the opposite: we were GOING to lynch you because you hadn't claimed (better you be lynched and flip watcher, damning Brian Skies, than you not show up and counterclaim Brian Skies and LYLO)

ah yeah, this is good logic. You already knew I wasn't the watcher though.. so why didn't you?

[Mina]

Do you have a strong reason for believing the scum would be on JF's wagon in particular (other than Quilford being scum)? I'd thought that was your point.

Also, can you summarize why your teammates think Quilford is scum?

p-edit: It's backwards. Once we figured out you weren't the watcher if town, we realized we could just lynch whichever of you or Johnny was scummier regardless of whether you checked in. Because even if we mislynched JF, no one would believe a counterclaim from you the next day.

[Patrick]

If I had to call it right now, I think I'd say it's bbmolla.

[Mina]

p-edit: I suppose it could be. I'm having a hard time feeling that over quil.

Do you still have a townread on Molla?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Do you have a strong reason for believing the scum would be on JF's wagon in particular (other than Quilford being scum)? I'd thought that was your point.

I think in order for the Johnny wagon to have made it through, his partner would have had to have been supporting it. I agree I should have left my vote where it was but I wasn't expecting to miss the deadline like a dope. But that's what I'm saying, right, DESPITE missing a town vote, the scum wagon still happened,

while

there were votes on town elsewhere (me).

Also, can you summarize why your teammates think Quilford is scum?

I will get that from them. It has mostly been site chat stuff. I'll go through our PT and pull it all together. *DISCLAIMER* I am telling you now so you don't yell at me, I have a show tonight, I am shopping with friends tomorrow night for graduation, Friday I have graduation, Saturday is my second birthday party, Sunday is a third birthday party, and I will be back on Monday. I will likely be hungover. I will

try not to

take it out on anyone.

p-edit: It's backwards. Once we figured out you weren't the watcher if town, we realized we could just lynch whichever of you or Johnny was scummier regardless of whether you checked in. Because even if we mislynched JF, no one would believe a counterclaim from you the next day.

I don't quite get this but my brain is saying it doesn't matter at this point. Perhaps explain it later.

p-edit: ehhhh..... yes because I'm scumreading quil. Like, I don't want to shoot myself in the foot but there are things he's said that I just go "wut... why would scum say this". Tell me what you are thinking please. Without trying to convince me that Quil is town.

[BBmolla]

I also enjoy that (but sympathise with) BBmolla being 'WOW AN ALCH LYNCH WILL TELL US SOOOOO MUCH' and then him coming into day 2 talking about how all his reads went our the window

Yeah I'm dumb. That's been thoroughly proven.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

AND what do we do if we end up lynching BB and it's not him? Like, I kind of feel hopeless in this because it's like you are totally unwilling to consider the possibility of quil being scum and I don't get that. There's no way you can be THAT certain, just none. It's just stubborn foolishness in the face of a town flip.

[BBmolla]

Mina probe me about whatever gripes you have about me

[Quilford]

Did you ask your teammates about me BB?

[BBmolla]

They said it's irrelevent to meta, but one or two have played with you.

[Quilford]

OK... so what are their reasons for thinking I'm scum?

[BBmolla]

working on it

[Quilford]

lol

[BBmolla]

oh shit

I missed a page in my team qt

[BBmolla]

ok

vezok says only people who make sense as scum with Johnny are Quil and ETl. Johnny has been insistent on protecting Quilford. ETL seems like mislynch.

He quotes town to scum order and says no way he puts ETL so low as a buddy. It's between Quil and Patrick, and he defends Quil at every turn.

says ETL is definitely town, and that the pot shots Johnny took at me makes me pretty clearly town

Quil how did we jump from "Johnny for town IMO" to me being your top lynch preference? You should vote ETL instead

quotes this and says Johnny was mad cause Quil was bussing

Serra called Quil town in their first post

Alch is still scum. Mina is probably the other. I'll properly get to this tonight.

this makes Mina town

BPC is also null, as I've already said I didn't like his early fencesitting. I also hate hate hated when he said Mina was 'blatantly not caring about reads' in #114, it seemed like hilariously over-the-top rhetoric in the way that scum are sometimes prone to (Mina also took issue with it, which is another reason I forgot to mention why I like her for town). But aside from his 40 hr absence a little back, he has been pretty engaged.

I have no idea whatsoever about serra. Like, none. I get town vibes and scum vibes off things but it's all gut. I should probably do some meta.

^first reference to serra from quil. scumbuddy post.

Johnny for town imo

Quil randomly townreads scum for zero reason

Also notes Quil's turnaround on the slot

[BBmolla]

shos agrees

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Quilford

[BBmolla]

like forcing me to reinforce a read beyond what it is and then acting like having a read in that manner after doing so is some kind of tell is really something else.

I don't care. The fact that BBmolla's scumhunting isn't factoring into your read is really fucking weird.

also can I just say this is the bullshit Quil pulled in Marketplace

[Mina]

...

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...

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...okay, sure?

VOTE: BBmolla

[Quilford]

looooool