Paradise Lost - [Game Over]

[grapes]

Here's the thing, I don't want to lynch Lufan because, while he's been not exactly reassuring today, I'm trusting our Angel to vig him tonight due to how much of a headache he obviously is. I'm not confident in him flipping scum. I am fairly confident in him being confused newbtown. Either way, angel kills him tonight, saves us the trouble of a potential mislynch, and if he's town he gets to be masons with Muffin, Tere, and Angel, which would probably be a good way to teach him how not to be confused if they're so inclined to mentor him. That's a win all around for everybody.

1)Yuck
2)Why are trying to direct vig shots
3)Especially if you're 'fairly confident' that lufans' town?
4)Where's all this 'masons with the angel' stuff stemming from?

[lalaladucks]

Huh, i guess Glass is townreading her too.

Her posts reek of newbtown who doesn't know how to scuumhunt, so she is just saying whatever is on her mind at the moment, and I THINK it is inducing conversation, although I could be wrong about that.

*vigorous throat clearing*
HoO aer YEW to say IIII am the newBB here?!?
lol
It's okay.
I guess this probably makes sense.

Maybe my version of scumhunting is not the widely accepted version? Although I may not appear to be actively scumhunting as such, I'm still passively analysing/scumhunting, I guess I could say. But, it's hard to communicate what runs through my mind sometimes. Thus, you probably think I'm not really doing useful and helpful stuffs for de towns ands I am de anti-townz and I am as useless as a rudder on a duck's arse.

[lalaladucks]

@lala, when you get back

Don't think Elb is scum

Why not?

Hmmm, how to explain...
Well, the feeling I get from most of his posts is townish. What he was saying seemed genuine, and it seemed to be coming from a town-motivated mindset. Although, as I'm reading through the most recent posts from him, I don't get a great feeling (will explain more later)

[lalaladucks]

lala has a scumread on lulu since D1.
lulu makes a post that lala considers it's lulu

admitting to being scum.

Night 1 happens, 2 people die, neither of them are lulu, both are town.
lala doesnt vote for lulu at all and instead goes posting in big bold skittle letters to wish Kats a happy scumday, and does nothing until then declares an intent to hammer to AA9, and then we debucle into discussion about AA9's motives.

Note that lala still hasn't voted the person who supposedly admitted to being scum

RC comes in talks about a lot of stuff posts reads where lulu is his strongest scumread and votes him.
lala finally votes lulu, his reason

He admitted to being scum D1.

So if nothing had changed his read throughout D2 why didnt she outright vote him, specially since something like

admitting to being scum

should give her certainty of a scum flip?
Then she gets scum read by grapes and i call her out on why didn't she outright vote lulu.
Gaiden tells her to flashlynch someone instead.
lala decides to vote you because "maybe Tere was on to something" completely ignoring AGAIN her scumread on

the person who admitted to being scum.

...
Why don't you like me wishing people happy scumday? You also didn't appear to be pleased when I wished you one
Colours are fun. I'll use them if I like.
Who here thinks lufan has done anything pro-town and/or useful in the game so far?

Look, this will sound very stupid and you probably might not even believe it, but I held off on voting luffy because...
Wait for it...
I wanted to do it dramatically and with some sort of cool pic or gif...
...
... ...
... ... ...

Don't call me a moron, just think it in your head!
But then I didn't have time and I could only phonepost blah blah blah.

Ye, I know it's stupid.
Okay.
Do igaf? Not really.

[lalaladucks]

˙ooʇ S၁2 sɐʍ ∀∀ ɟo ǝsuǝɟǝp ,sınboɥↃ

˙ɯnɔs ɥɔuʎן oʇ ʍoɥ uɹɐǝן sʎnƃ noʎ ןıʇun uoıʇɔıɹʇsǝɹ ʇsod ʍǝu ʎɯ sıɥʇ ɹǝpısuoↃ ˙ʇuǝʇuoɔsıp ʎɯ ƃuıɹǝʇsıƃǝɹ ɟo sʎɐʍ ɹǝʇʇǝq ǝʌɐɥ I 'ʇɐɥʍ ʍouʞ noʎ ʎןןɐnʇɔ∀

*groan*
Kat, mate.
What is this.
This inhibits the progression of the game. Much like the acetyl pharmacophore in acetylsalicylic acid (commonly referred to as aspirin) inhibits the serine 530 enzyme in cyclo-oxygenase in order to stop the release of prostaglandins which activate nociceptors which send signals to the brain for pain. The result of this process is pain relief btw.

[lalaladucks]

From all these, it seems like it's scum being careful and appeasing, which is much more likely to come from newbscum than newbtown. The initial reluctance to vote lufan could be because they don't know if they should, as a lynch on AA9 looks more likely to happen, when that doesn't happen and someone votes lufan then they decide to follow them, and when called out on it, they go back and vote someone else. Since scum has daychat then this also could be because of a scummate telling them that they are doing something wrong. All in all looks like being careful scum to me.

¿Qué?
You really think my play this game has been careful
Okay, you can take it that way if you wish.
I don't care about being careful.
This is not how I careful.
You'd know if I was being careful.
It would look a lot more genuinely careful.

[lalaladucks]

So I'ma do this, because reading Lala's ISO, posts 1223 through 1241 is just awful. Sounds like nervous scum to me, and then at the first sight of pressure she ducks out. Nah. Also, ima sheep the shit outta Sakura's 1273 and 1286.

VOTE: Lalaladucks

Whew.
I almost just got blown over by the waft of bullshit in this post.
Chemistry is real. Okay. My priorities go something like, staying alive > Chemistry/Physics/Maths/English grades > Spanish grades > getting my phone screen fixed > eating boiled eggs because they provide many vitamins and minerals yay! > playing mafia online > cutting my nails > organising the shoes in my cupboard.

What's your thoughts on elb and Abr?

ABR is 100% town. I've already mentioned that and don't anticipate it changing. Elbirn was early on the lufan wagon and pushed it, avoided the AA wagon, but was cognizant of all the goings-on. I don't agree with at least half of his town list in 527 but it's a day one list. Generally I'm leaning town.

What I do like is the use of the word "cognizant" in this post. What I don't like is your certainty that Albuquerque is town. How can you possibly be 100% sure? Townspeople know nothing. You can't know for sure who's town and who's scum... Unless you're scum.

So I'ma do this, because reading Lala's ISO, posts 1223 through 1241 is just awful. Sounds like nervous scum to me, and then at the first sight of pressure she ducks out.

Well the 2nd is just her stating that she's going to be V/LA, and the former seemed to me like she was going on about what RC seemed to imply about him being the only person townreading her, the nervous scum and ducking out come in other posts, so im not sure if you mislinked or smth, your vote is in the right place tho.

Also, ima sheep the shit outta Sakura's 1273 and 1286.

When did your read on me change enough to sheep my reasoning?

^ Yeah.

And then it's Albeturkey's case on farside. Seems legit in my opinion. farside's posts are pretty strange. But I'm not strongly scumreading farside. Because then some of the other things she says are reasonable and seem towny (can't give example right now, ain't nobody got time for dat!)

VOTE: farside

I am sold to your case!!!

That was easy...

Yay! I like cases. Then I can see others thought processes.

Yay! But why don't you want to post cases?
Other people would like to see your thought processes as well, you know.

.ti nioj ot tnaw t'ndid edisraF yhw nac I dna ,nogaw AA eht no etov tsrow eht saw etov s'nrible ,gnihtyna fI ?yllaeR

Stahp being a chiral molecule, like the 2-methylpropyl group in ibuprofen, also known as 2-(4-(2-methypropyl)propanoic acid. This game's progress is not cyclo-oxygenase enzymes which ultimately cause the feeling of pain in the body, kk.

I see the points against lalala (especially curious to hear her response as to why she waited to vote lufan), but I still see her as town.

Yeah, I explained it just in the previous post. It's stupid.


Hai Cho! Hope you have fun in this game, it can be a little difficult to have fun at times.

Much more posts, but need to go organise my speech for Chem right now. Will be back in about 17 and a half hours to post some pure gold. (It's 8:30pm now, Chem oral is at 2:00pm tomorrow and I won't be doing mafia before it has been presented because of priorities)

Here's the thing, I don't want to lynch Lufan because, while he's been not exactly reassuring today, I'm trusting our Angel to vig him tonight due to how much of a headache he obviously is. I'm not confident in him flipping scum. I am fairly confident in him being confused newbtown. Either way, angel kills him tonight, saves us the trouble of a potential mislynch, and if he's town he gets to be masons with Muffin, Tere, and Angel, which would probably be a good way to teach him how not to be confused if they're so inclined to mentor him. That's a win all around for everybody.

This doesn't even make sense.
Why should the Angel waste a vig kill on someone you don't even think is scum. Nonsense.

Soz grapes, will do detailed reads tomorrow after Chem oral but just a quick overview of how I'm reading people atm:

Townies

lalaladucks
ArcAngel
Sakura Hana Banana
Gaiden
RedCoyote
Equinox

dunno

Katsuki
farside
grapes
Albert of Albuquerque
Elbirn
Cho

Demonies

lufan
massive
Glass

[grapes]

You're doing that thing again where you only respond to people calling you scum and not

looking

for scum.

With an odd echo thrown in here and there.

[farside22]

I'm inclined to agree with Alberts assessment of Farside. I still like Lala for scum though. Albert, if I could vote twice, I would, I really would bae. </3

Katsuki, AA9 is never going to happen so please get with the program. Thanks.

Albert V. Sakura is nonsense and you two need to like kiss and make up, divisiveness isn't doing us any favors kthxbai.

Oh look who shows up to agree on yet another case without explaining why.

Sigh, trying to figure this game out is giving me a headache...
AA9 gets flash wagoned and reacts emotionally with an attempt to self hammer.
lalaladucks reacts in awkward ways.
Katsuki's still tunneling on AA9.
ABR does nothing until farside scumreads him, then decides to push a case on farside
All farside cases are pretty meh
massive keeps lurking.
Cho tunnels on Katsuki, calling everything else lynchbait and doesnt even explain her read, but says "i'm right and you should follow me".
lufan keeps doing nothing.
Glass seems to pop out once every blue moon.
Elbirn just being the same as in D1.
Gaiden seems to have fell into a different dimmension.
...
I highly doubt Equinox, RC, grapes and me are the only townies here...

I have yet to see any good case against anyone sooooo.. Meh whatever

[farside22]

@grapes: I think it's odd that AA is following ABR because all of day one I just recall him calling AA town to come in and on day 2 he joins the bw votes against her. In my mind it was WTF is that shit.
when asked why you get:

I don't get it, yesterday when i wanted to lynch AA9 no one wanted AA9 lynched, now everyone does >_> did i miss something?

She fucking disappeared on me at deadline.

So ABR, now that i got your reasoning for wagoning AA9, can you tell me your true reason for wagoning her?

Because there can only be one player as beautiful as you in this game, love.

One is so what, who the fuck cares. I wasn't around I can't imagine AA is the only player at the time who could have hammered during day 1.
The second clearly seems that Sakura doesn't buy ABR's view and all we have after is butt kissing time from ABR

[Katsuki]

This read is gold.

Stop lynching lynchbait.

[ArcAngel9]

I demand a VIG Shot on Katsuki tonight!!!!

[ArcAngel9]

Angel, An angel requesting you to do your duty.. please shoot Katsuki tonight.

[Katsuki]

Cho, if I wanted to lynch lynchbait, I'd lynch you.

[Katsuki]

I demand a VIG Shot on Katsuki tonight!!!!

I DEMAND A VIG SHOT ON AA TONIGHT!!!!

Two can play at that game...

You'll have to use your scum kill if you want to remove me.

[ArcAngel9]

I demand a VIG Shot on Katsuki tonight!!!!

I DEMAND A VIG SHOT ON AA TONIGHT!!!!

Two can play at that game...

You'll have to use your scum kill if you want to remove me.

If you want to continue like a dog with a bone. I can't help and nobody can. You're free to think what ever you want.. But only I know the fact and you don't know it.
But stop using me as an excuse to avoid playing the game.

[Katsuki]

Don't think so highly of yourself, I don't need an excuse if I wanted to abstaining from playing. Keep up the fake pressure , I know you need the towncred

[SXTLHGaiden]

Sakura, are you still scum reading me?

[SXTLHGaiden]

Also

VLA: till Sunday

[ArcAngel9]

Don't think so highly of yourself, I don't need an excuse if I wanted to abstaining from playing. Keep up the fake pressure , I know you need the towncred

I don't need towncred. I am open to get lynched if town suspects. the question is are you open to play? or even try to play? And thanks for telling me that I think high about self. I ll take that as a compliment.

[ArcAngel9]

Also

VLA: till Sunday

that is it? You came back and made a single post and now gone...

[Sakura Hana]

@Katsuki & AA: Can you both please pretend the other doesn't exist at least for the rest of this DP, TIA.
@Gaiden: I'm heavily unsure, spcially because I want to quit with my 100% Read intact and with your dissapearance im having a hard time seeing you as town, not because of the dissapearnace, but because i've been scumreading you and you haven't done anything to make me think otherwise.

And now i dont like lalaladucks new posting style... sigh...
the AA9, Cho, Katsuki love triangle is just making my head spin so i think i'm just gonna ignore it.

[SXTLHGaiden]

hmmm
does this mean that i'm slowly regaining my passive scum aura?
This would be useful in later games.
anyway, you know me. I trust your read on me 100% so if you are ever confident in your scum read of me, i'll support the lynch.
I won't vote myself, though, since i will go to paradise.
unfortunately, i'll have to assume you are scum if you scum read me.

[ArcAngel9]

Gaiden, who do you want to lynch today?
why are you not scum hunting?

[Elbirn]

Here's the thing, I don't want to lynch Lufan because, while he's been not exactly reassuring today, I'm trusting our Angel to vig him tonight due to how much of a headache he obviously is. I'm not confident in him flipping scum. I am fairly confident in him being confused newbtown. Either way, angel kills him tonight, saves us the trouble of a potential mislynch, and if he's town he gets to be masons with Muffin, Tere, and Angel, which would probably be a good way to teach him how not to be confused if they're so inclined to mentor him. That's a win all around for everybody.

1)Yuck
2)Why are trying to direct vig shots
3)Especially if you're 'fairly confident' that lufans' town?
4)Where's all this 'masons with the angel' stuff stemming from?

This doesn't even make sense.
Why should the Angel waste a vig kill on someone you don't even think is scum. Nonsense.

Jeez is this really so hard to get.
Show of hands, who wants Lufan to keep living? How would you feel with him in Lylo/mylo? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

K, thought so.
Now, keeping this games sin mechanic in mind, who wants to be on his lynch wagon knowing that there's a decent possibility that he's town, but he's just absolutely lost?

Premise 1. Lufan needs to be removed.
Premise 2. Lynching Lufan may be negative utility for town
CONCLUSION: Angel should vig Lufan

Y'all better stop frontin', this is literally optimal play.

Also @Grapes, a fart on you for pretending to townslip by not knowing that sinless villagers go to heaven and can communicate with Angel/each other.