Looking over dead scums posts, the great thing about rereading serra is it takes so little effort
I still think serra looks like he's buddying with ETL. Also calls Quilford town in his first post. Says the bbmollas opening looks weird/fake according to his team, but doesn't follow up on it at any point. This puts me in two minds:
serra, addressing Mina wrote:I'm worried that you think Quil with Reck and UT on his team would be readable by activity alone. I presume that you're right, but I think you're being too simplistic and disregarding context.
Could be critisising Mina's read of Quilford because he knows it's wrong, but wording of "presume its right" kinda makes me think Quilford is town. Donno though.
Pretty bad attack on Mina, sort of uses BPC as a foil for that. Back and forth between serra and Mina doesn't look especially faked.
serra wrote:I don't disagree with mina's read, just with her reasons. I really liked Quil's early argument with alchemist and he was pretty unapologetic in some of his interactions with Mina. Also, I don't really see scum making up the detailed story about posting a readlist similar to Mina's in his PT before she did.
Sort of looks like Quilford is town. Unless serra has a big tendency to side with his partners and call them town, but this doesn't feel natural between partners. Looks like cuddling up to town-Quilford to try and push mislynch on Alchemist.
Signs out calling Mina scum and ETL and Quilford hard town. More of the same, basically.
Johnny's reads on Quilford feels like smooching as well. Plenty of mentions, but the tone is quite full on when he calls him town:
Johnny wrote:I can't think of Quil as anything but town thanks to Mina's convincing.
Johnny wrote:Alch's 753 is another good argument for Quil town. That read's probably not going away
Johnny wrote:and you can try to convince me that Quil's scum but you'd better have a detective hat on.
Johnny wrote:My townread of Quil is probably bigger than I even originally stated. What I said was something along the lines of "Mina has convinced me that Quil is town," but the more I think about it the less scum Quil makes sense. I don't particularly see scum going so hard at a newb townie day one, when he cracks it looks like genuine anger, and that semantic argument with Espy day one looked like quality "scum wouldn't keep this going" work
Johnny wrote:And then Quil stated my own case better than I could.
There's probably more but this sums up Johnny's approach to Quilford. He was pretty critical of every other player in some way or another. Did Johnny under pressure decide to roll into the thread and try to paint his scumbuddy as the best thing since sliced white bread? I don't want to close my mind entirely to unusual scum play but I'm not feeling it. Would like to hear some other views on this.
Reading through Johnny's posts I think his stance on bbmolla was all kinds of awkward. I won't quite a fuckton in here because this post is getting long already, but my general impression is he tries very hard to read bbmolla as unreadable/not even playing, which was an exageration that a few people called him on.
Johnny wrote:That's a false dichotomy if I've ever seen one. I've already said that I came into this game looking to pick holes in people, and BB getting town reads left and right is fucking baffling. I don't know what his alignment is because he hasn't done anything in this game to really tell me what his alignment is. The things I know are:
1. He's put forth more emotion than content
2. If he's town he's bad at it
3. If he's scum he's winning
See my problem with the slot? It's not a scumread, but it's definitely not a townread. So how 'bout this, anyone who has any read on him whatsoever, tell me what and why, and until then I'll just be stating lovingly into his eyes waiting for him to actually do something.
I think this could be Johnny talking about his scumbuddy. It commits him to nothing and gives him an excuse to duck out of giving a stance. It's also plausible that he's pissed off at how many people are correctly reading town-molla. I don't know how much of my read on this is because I found bbmolla scummy coming into this reread, but Johnny definitely feels pretty evasive about giving a read on this slot throughout his entire time alive.
His reads on Mina and ETL don't stand out to me as much. He shoves ETL into rough second place on his list, and it's entirely plausible he came in with a gameplan of mislynching town-BPC and town-ETL for the win. I'm a bit wary of his lack of attempt to get ETL lynched instead of himself on the Sunday though. If ETL is town, this was still a plausible mislynch for him. If they're partners his lack of motivation makes sense, I guess if they aren't Johnny just decided he was done for and clammed up.
Overall I think bbmolla would make a fair bit of a sense as the scumpartner, though the evidence isn't exactly damning - Johnny didn't say much of anything about me or Mina either and then fell away as the day went on longer. But I do feel a bit of awkwardness there, as though he made a conscious effort to not comment on bbmolla's alignment. I think both players in the scum role looked like they were trying to befriend Quilford, Johnny moreso. I came into this thinking Quilford is town though, and if he's not he's got a great shot at winning this game, so I'd really like some input from others. I'm especially interested in Mina's thoughts because I feel like I can predict what the others will say, heh.
