New York 180 (Endgame)

[ika]

goodmorning: kitz, Shinobi
kitz: goodmorning, GC
shinobi: Marquis

(expired on 2015-05-05 21:00:00)

[Shinobi]

lol this game hurts to read.

[Shinobi]

Took a glance at Cheetory's case. Some notes:

>Scum

could

make a big splash as a replace in. Alternatively, they might just not, so how does that make him scum?
>Something looking fake doesn't really mean a whole lot.
>

Could

be bussing doesn't mean that it is. What makes it

only

bussing in that circumstance?
>The points on Marquis coaching and "soft defending Aeronaut while voting him" are mega convoluted and super tinfoil.

The best points I saw were Marquis trying to get TSO lynched over Ozgin and not engaging dragonspawn when he had the opportunity to. The former is the best point that you've brought up, but that brings up a big holy that needs to be filled in order to solidify the case:

If the Aeronaut/Shinobi vote was dead-even without Ozgin switching, why does scum!Marquis vote Aeronaut?

[Shinobi]

*Hole, not holy. lol don't try to post at 3 am guys.

GM brought up votecounts about how I'm probably town, posted her findings and didn't come to a conclusion about anything. She brought up a votecount about how I voted TSO with Aeronaut and said how we probably weren't buddies only to turn around and say that me voting town in a TvT cross was scummy, and she couldn't draw a conclusion.

Like wtf? How is that town?

[Marquis]

VOTE: gm

compromising because i'm not lynching kitz. scum action theory can support this too.

[Shinobi]

I don't know how many votes hammer is but nobody hammer until tomorrow at least.
I'm too tired to sort Marquis' current voteswitch.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: gm

compromising because i'm not lynching kitz. scum action theory can support this too.

Scum action theory?

[goodmorning]

GM brought up votecounts about how I'm probably town, posted her findings and didn't come to a conclusion about anything. She brought up a votecount about how I voted TSO with Aeronaut and said how we probably weren't buddies only to turn around and say that me voting town in a TvT cross was scummy, and she couldn't draw a conclusion.

Like wtf? How is that town?

lololololololololololol

ALL ABOARD THE GOOD SHIP MISREP, MY FRIENDS

[dragonspawn]

Gm is at L1.

my brains still mostly fried but that much is obvious

[Shinobi]

GM brought up votecounts about how I'm probably town, posted her findings and didn't come to a conclusion about anything. She brought up a votecount about how I voted TSO with Aeronaut and said how we probably weren't buddies only to turn around and say that me voting town in a TvT cross was scummy, and she couldn't draw a conclusion.

Like wtf? How is that town?

lololololololololololol

ALL ABOARD THE GOOD SHIP MISREP, MY FRIENDS

How is this misrep? That's exactly what this looks like.

[goodmorning]

I said I didn't think it was very likely that groupscum would be pos1-2 on an early wagon. Sounds like a conclusion to me, one that doesn't reference Aeronaut in the slightest. In fact, none of my conclusions in that post have anything to do with Aeronaut. I also said nothing about TvT.
I also said that generally when Town PRs are lynched it takes an extra punch from Scum to push the lynch through at the finish, which means near the tail of a controversial Town PR lynchwagon is the most likely place to find multiple Scum, making you and Marquis mildly suspect for that.

I concluded by saying that I don't weight VCA heavily because Scum can and do manipulate their votes. Nowhere did I say that I couldn't draw a conclusion - in fact, you must have some sort of conclusion in order to have something to weight.

[goodmorning]

On another note, I pulled 27 VCs from D1-D4. You are voting in 15 of those, which is only slightly over half.
You are on an actual wagon in 4 of those. 3 on the initial TSO wagon and 1 on the final viking lynchwagon, hence why I pulled those two wagons to explain my analysis of you.
The other 12 consist of solo votes; 9 on Math (the entire rest of D1) and 3 on Cheetory (some of D2).

You did not appear on a single votecount during either D3 or D4.

All that said, based on the final VC of D5, KitzScum would 'clear' you pretty neatly. Cheetory's swap from you to Aero late in D5 looks weird, so I'll go look at that now.

[goodmorning]

Made a case on Shinobi, voted Shinobi, disappeared, came back, had no idea what was going on, unvoted, dithered, called out Shinobi, called out Aero, sheeped TSO and voted Aero.

Now

that

I can't really draw a conclusion from.

[goodmorning]

But by all means, let's lynch the last Town PR, even if it's a shitty one, on no case or reason besides "you didn't die omg."

[goodmorning]

“I saw with my own eyes the Sibyl of Cumae hanging in a jar, and when the boys said to her, 'Sibyl, what do you want?' she replied, 'I want to die.'”

[Shinobi]

UNVOTE:

[dragonspawn]

We're you worried someone would hammer or did you change your mind on gm?

[Cheetory6]

If the Aeronaut/Shinobi vote was dead-even without Ozgin switching, why does scum!Marquis vote Aeronaut?

Because Aeronaut and Marquis had been swinging at each other all during that cycle? Why would he risk setting up back-to-back scumlynches when people look at how strange it is that he didn't vote for Aeronaut at the end of cycle there?
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There's something that's kind of bugging me and I kind of want to back-and-forth with someone about green crayons.
Because like.. I'm getting kind of the same vibes from him that I was from TSO, where I thought he had to be for sure confirmed via the setup and the way things are playing out, but I'm looking at things he's saying and it makes me feel like he's scum.

I trust GM the most out of the lot of you.

I've seen GC play as a town replacement before and basically turn the tides of a game around. This kind of resigned "meh I'll go with the flow and sheep GM" when we're getting pretty close to endgame seems like a pretty far cry from what I expect from him.

I don't know how to feel about dragon.

And Cheetory is in this game?


Those two can also go into the lynch pool.

Maybe I'm self-centered, but this feels super fucking lazy in a way that I don't like.
I just kind of get the impression that he's trying to make a minimal impression now that he's gotten 'conftown' thrown onto him and just kind of pushing slightly in a few directions without making any kind of effort to try and sort the game.
Given that town's had so much fucking power so far, it strikes me as plausible that GC could be a second scumneighbor for claiming shenanigans.

Like, I just don't feel like the current state of things is frantic enough for us to be on the right track. Maybe I'm just being crazy, but like, it feels like a whole load of nothing is happening with no kind of energy to push the game in one direction or the other and that makes me feel like we're currently in a state where scum is too happy with things. I'd really like to just talk about this though because I'm starting to get invested in this game again and I'm getting worried that now that we're starting to win it back we're getting lazy. :/
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As far as other people,
Marquis has all but disappeared, which makes me feel like he might be confident that people aren't going to listen to me? Maybe? q.q

Shinobi's unvote is annoying and I don't really know why he isn't trying to push anything right now, but I guess I feel somewhat good about him because of it? Like, I'm wondering if his weird reluctance to ever drop votes on anyone is more playstyle or something and I think I'm feeling like it's less likely that scum would try to detract momentum from GMwagon at a time like this.

Purely from a non-play standpoint, GM could be scum? But I have a hard time trusting just about anything that TSO has said this game. It'd be one thing if a vig had claimed to shoot GM and failed, but I get the feeling that TSO could have been bullshitting that to cause confusion. I also think her analysis on the last few pages has been pretty decent.

I feel like Kitz and Dragon are less likely to be scum just based on feels and PoE. Though, it'd be great if Kitz started saying more things and if Dragon could start making some kind of push for someone?
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[basicallywhatimtryingtosayiswtfguysthereslikethreedaysleftstarttalkingpls] q.q

[goodmorning]

I don't necessarily disagree.

[goodmorning]

What do you think of Kitz though?

[Green Crayons]

I've seen GC play as a town replacement before and basically turn the tides of a game around. This kind of resigned "meh I'll go with the flow and sheep GM" when we're getting pretty close to endgame seems like a pretty far cry from what I expect from him.

I'm not reading 200 pages.

That's the difference between this game and any other game I replace into.

[Green Crayons]

Uh, thoughts, so I put some effort into this game.

I personally think Shin is the best vote. He just sat on the sidelines in the TSO/Oz debate, which was probably the safest place for scum. Nobody appears to agree with this, so whatev.

I think GM is the most town person playing. I liked the PT he shared with SW. Plus I don't think a scum-neighborizer picked the town who was already neighbored to a scum neighbor. I'm therefore willing to sheep GM because he has a wider grasp on the game than I do.

[Green Crayons]

Everyone is just coasting, so I don't have strong feelings about others. Shin and GM are my extreme feelings.

[Marquis]

VOTE: shinobi

gc i've been for this and in part for reasons really similar to yours for a while now. shin lynch is best lynch

[Shinobi]

I have absolutely no idea what to say to either of you to make you not vote me.
Kinda frustrating.