NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[PeaceBringer]

Also, since I guess you didn't actually read the post:

Is Xayzeck town or scum, and why? If you don't answer, I'm going to assume it's because you are unable to.

I skimmed it-
I already expressed my thoughts on Xay...

[Grib]

Humor me.

[Ricastle]

That's a bullshit excuse to townread Xayzeck.

I'm willing to sheep Grib on this. I think he's onto something.

I'd also be willing to lynch Ricastle for that fake as hell "solid content from Grib." followed by reading Xayzeck as town on weak ass grounds.

Half of my scumreads are scumreading Xayzeck, and they're some of the only people pushing him. Come on. It's only logical for me to townread him.

[Rubicon]

I've concluded that the Bella slot is town. I loved her intuition and thought progression - she seemed like she was genuinely sorting the game with every post. She also defended one of the only points against her uncountered (1360), and, more importantly, was scumreading KC, and now has a KC counterwagon building on her.

Isn't it funny how every counterwagonee to KC has been scumreading her? And isn't it funnier how Peace and KC have been on both those wagons?

Your reads are based on who scumreads KC or who KC scumreads. That's pretty bad, even if she's scum.

I don't find it funny that Peace is on both those wagons since Peace is town and it would be kind of weird for him to vote as a bloc with his scum partner anyway.

Xayzeck is town, if only for multiple of my scumreads scumreading him. I guess he could be a sacrificial lamb but I'd sooner assume he's just low-hanging fruit.

Case in point.

Rubicon, how have you felt about elusive throughout the game?

elusive's one of a handful of people here who seem to really care about talking to everyone and figuring out the game so even if I didn't know her well enough to guess her alignment by meta (by tone and reactions), she would be low on my list of suspects.

You make some good points about Xayzeck and he should respond to you.

I saw enough from bella to lower the suspicion level

vote Elusive...

Only new development re: bellaphant is ricastle's post - did you find it super convincing or something?

[Rubicon]

Half of my scumreads are scumreading Xayzeck, and they're some of the only people pushing him. Come on. It's only logical for me to townread him.

Not really. It assumes your reads are correct (one of the biggest voices against Xayzeck right now is Grib, who's town and even you just said you were doubting your read on him) and is, bottom line, a really superficial and easy-to-fake way to form reads.

[Grib]

I don't find it funny that Peace is on both those wagons since Peace is town and it would be kind of weird for him to vote as a bloc with his scum partner anyway.

I feel like this is the second time you've made this kind of error.

[Grib]

Actually I may have read that incorrectly.

Ignore me.

[davesaz]

Catching up after a hellish week at work. This caught my eye.

Now, having read all of this, I want EVERYBODY to give their concrete read on Xayzeck in their next post. Commit to a townread or a scumread, right fucking now.

Is your read on the slot or the player?

I think more likely to be scum than town. Don't know how the strength of read will compare to other players I need to look into.

[Ricastle]

Your reads are based on who scumreads KC or who KC scumreads. That's pretty bad, even if she's scum.

I don't find it funny that Peace is on both those wagons since Peace is town and it would be kind of weird for him to vote as a bloc with his scum partner anyway.

That was one point. As I said, I liked her posts, and she was being wagoned without much reasoning. Naturally, I'm going to be partially reading people based on stuff surrounding KC because it's an event in the game that people act and react to. Those actions and reactions are how reads are gathered.

Why is Peace town again?

Not really. It assumes your reads are correct (one of the biggest voices against Xayzeck right now is Grib, who's town and even you just said you were doubting your read on him) and is, bottom line, a really superficial and easy-to-fake way to form reads.

I'd rather stick to my reads than contradict myself. That's all there is to it.

[davesaz]

Xayzeck is town, if only for multiple of my scumreads scumreading him. I guess he could be a sacrificial lamb but I'd sooner assume he's just low-hanging fruit.

I read the first half of this post as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". I don't think that's a valid reason to townread someone. You could be wrong about your scumreads. You also downplay the possibility that if your scumreads are indeed scum then they could scumread a buddy to distance.

What do you get as a read if you leave out the associations? A townread should be doing something you can say is town.

[davesaz]

I'd rather stick to my reads than contradict myself. That's all there is to it.

This can be interpreted as "changing my read might look scummy". I wonder what your previous position has been on people who do things like this?

[Grib]

Oh, forgot to mention: I picked games that Xayzeck was a VT in (no PR games) since that's what Garmr claimed.

[Grib]

Ricastle: acknowledging that you could be mistaken in your reads is not a contradiction.

[Grib]

dave: the player. I didn't really pay much attention to Garmr until his claim/replace out.

[Ricastle]

This can be interpreted as "changing my read might look scummy".

It's really because I've got my head wedged up my ass. There, I said it.

[davesaz]

Fair enough. I scanned for contradictions in your posting on this issue and didn't see any.

[Creative]

From this last interactions what i got:

Grib

moved to my town circle.

Ricastle

posts seems very scummy, taking the spotlight off

Xayzeck

, post #1777 is the wierdest one, don´t really like associative reads this early on, and he tries to say as it is an obvious conclusion.
he moved so low from his last 3-4 posts that i'm willing to wagon him right now.

I think 1773 from

House

feels townie, i'm moving him to my leaning town/null section.

Peacebringer

interjected to undermine

Grib

's points on

Xayzeck

, then got overdefensive when questioned about it. Seems very scummy to me, i'm also wanting to kill him.

[Ricastle]

Grib asked for definitive stances on Xayzeck, so I gave one. Distracting was not my intention.

[Creative]

Can you give an individual read on

Xayzeck

? Considering you might be wrong about your scumreads.

[Grib]

Can you give an individual read on

Xayzeck

? Considering you might be wrong about your scumreads.

Piggybacking onto this: Ricastle, try to provide a Xayzeck read that relies on your analysis of his posts, not what other people have said about them.

Or at least give me a reason why he's a townread that stems from Xayzeck himself (or Garmr, I guess) and not other players.

[Grib]

These are the people I am not townreading:

PeaceBringer
??? r Bellaphant r bewilderbeast
Vampirate r jbomber732
Boonskiies
RationalMadman r Kitz
Xayzeck r Garmr

for reference.

I am really, really bad at reading lurky people, as you can see. ,_,

[davesaz]

So 3 different players have now asked for Ricastle to read Xayzeck based on posts and not on associatives.

[Ricastle]

Jesus fuck I evidently haven't ISOed him before. Nope, no way I can even begin to defend that. Scum based on his own actions.

[Grib]

Well that was a more intense reaction than I was expecting.

[Grib]

Also kind of weird you'd have a townread on someone without reading their posts???