Mini 1665: Papers, Please Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.16

ChaosOmega (4) - Kop, Wrong Song, xRECKONERx, Quilford
Kop (4) - hitogoroshi, Cheetory6, ChaosOmega, GuyInFreezer
PeaceBringer (2) - elusive, Stabulous
Stabulous (2) - Dinare, PeaceBringer
Wrong Song (1) - Untrod Tripod

Not Voting (0)

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, May 7, 2015, at 11:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-07 23:30:00).

[Kop]

Kop, what's your read on Otolia? How has that read progressed through the game?

As the game is progressing he is starting to look a bit more town.

[Wrong Song]

I'll be here later tonight, sorry.

[Wrong Song]

Yeah I apologize even more this has to wait 'til tomorrow. I'm off both Tues/Wednesday, but both Sunday/Monday I'm working 8hr+ shifts. I have a wicked aches right now and for some reason I keep getting hot then cold so :\

[ChaosOmega]

Prod dodge, concert, will make a real post tomorrow.

[xRECKONERx]

post

[hitogoroshi]

I didn't think your thoughts on PeaceBringer were different than mine at all.

Lets put it this way. What do you suppose PB-town's behavior is here?

Can you explain how this train of thought lead you to speculate that PB is vig? I don't follow.

Not that he IS vig; that he's a good vig target.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Was going to vote for Kop but then his latest post made me think otherwise.

Please talk to me, I find myself glazing over reading over the previous pages. I know I've missed some questions so just quote them at me whenever you feel like it

This is a lazy cop-out; why do we have to drag your reads and reasoning out of you?

But whatever. Wrong Song read. Go.

Vote Count 1.16

ChaosOmega (4) - Kop, Wrong Song, xRECKONERx, Quilford

Hey Reck look at who you're sharing this CO wagon with

I wanted to wait for Wrong Song to answer me before thinking of vote swappin' because I think the answer would be a bit more useful if I wasn't voting him, but my heart is telling me Wrong Song and I'm pretty sick of waiting to be honest

Unvote, Vote: Wrong Song

[Stabulous]

PB-town, I guess, is sure I'm scum and is just pushing me with whatever ammunition he has. The reason I don't think it's genuine is because he's only using his PL angle. It's like he tried to scumread me conventionally, got bored, and went with a PL because it's easier to argue. Real PB-town would have used both arguments to get me lynched.

[elusive]

Stabulous, now Otolio's reference to "Stabulous" makes sense I was like, "WTF is that a TV show reference or something."

Anyway, what do you make of Dinare's read on you?

I don't have a finished game experience with PeaceBringer but he seems a bit different here, invested in appearing a certain way rather then embodying it. Do you think that's more likely scum?

Also, xReck "post" kind of infuriates me like so much.

[Dinare]

Hito, I will have to think on what you said about flash wagons. Just to be clear, does the flash wagon have to succeed in a lynch in order to give the information you're talking about?

Spoiler: Cheetory's 386

^Ding ding ding.
Tired of Kop ignoring me, so here's a good reason to vote for him that I've been noodling around in my head:
Hito expresses that Chaos looks sketchy in a post.
Kop sees that and then votes for Chaos in his next post and then tries to prod hito towards voting him.
To me, it looks like Kop is trying to lead hito onto someone else in a way that looks fake. Like, trying to convince someone to vote someone else is one thing, but to me it strikes me as being a lot more likely that Kop saw that CO could be pushed as scummy and decided to capitalize on it.
The way he responds to CO's vote as purely OMGUS without trying to probe behind the intentions there doesn't seem like it's coming from someone trying to figure out the game and moreso coming from someone trying to posture to push pressure off of himself and onto CO.

I can see your argument with Kop trying to get Hito to vote with him, but do you believe that CO's vote is something other than OMGUS? I get the sense that scum-CO screwed up with his Kop vote, and is being quiet hoping we lynch Kop instead.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Quilford: How has your original read of UT progressed throughout the game?

[xRECKONERx]

Still waiting on Quilford to do something.

[Untrod Tripod]

you're expecting quilford to do things?

isn't he famously lurky?

[hitogoroshi]

Why is everyone prod dodging and doin dick bupkis all of a sudden.

Let's wagon Wrong Song nerds

Also like yo I don't have a Chaos townread or nothin but he's up to L-2 buoyed on the back of a bunch of hamster fart votes and I don't like it. If we're gonna lynch CO today I wanna see some fucking CONVICTION

[Quilford]

timing!! my internet is shot to hell guys. the repairman wants us to test whether its a router/modem problem or a line fault, which is probably just an excuse not to come out and fix anything. maybe I should just replace out.

[Kop]

I'm doubting he is town at the minute, wouldn't scum have gotten him over the egde if he was town?

[hitogoroshi]

Of course not. Why on earth would you take the exposure to lynch someone who's had zero game impact for basically the entire day? Are you earnestly saying you would expect two scum to quick L-1 and quickhammer on day one??

If CO's town, either they can't vote CO because they're on his wagon or they're just waiting for deadline when they can roll their eyes and say "I'm doin a deadline lynch".

That's where the inertia is going, which is enough reason for me to dislike the wagon even though I have no real read on CO.

[Kop]

Well for me he has suspicion on him, I'd say enough to warrant scum to jump on, and then hold up there hands and say well I found him scummy, that's why I voted for him. It wouldn't really cast much suspicion if there is enough reason to vote for him.

[ChaosOmega]

So I'll ask the question, ChaosOmega, what are YOUR intentions on why you placed your vote on me? And don't give me the answers of what others have put behind there votes, I want to hear your side of the bargain.

Coming from you, that's rich.

Let's look at your non-RVS votes. Your first one is Cheetory, with this reasoning:

Cheetory6 has done nothing, his three posts were votes for different users, with very little input.

And that's great, top notch. Except here's what Otolia posted earlier that page:

Cheeto

ok.
VOTE: Otolia

Even less posts than me (3). WHY IS EVERYONE SO PRO-ACTIVE ?!

You don't hide that you're following Dinare's reasoning here (and you probably should've, this whole semantic argument was terrible):

Dinare actually brings up a good point about his statement "What are you going to do if I flip town ?".

If he is town and facing a lynch, it should be when I flip town, not if I flip town.

That alone isn't sitting right with me.

I want to vote for Oka because I don't like his confidence in his argument, what if.

And then you shift to me:

In looking into it more, I think his vote is opportunistic and no real concrete reasoning, jumping on the bandwagon in hope that we push him (oto) off a cliff, and he won't get any heat from it. I just read his vote, and post and I don't get a good vibe from it, personally speaking.

Looks like you thought that was a bad post...

vote: Otolia

Otolia, any response to 126? Also, do you have any links to completed games where you've said you won't claim on D1?

This is a bad post.

This is why I'm voting you. You're hopping on unoffensive wagons immediately after other people provide support for them, without any real input from you.

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do you believe that CO's vote is something other than OMGUS? I get the sense that scum-CO screwed up with his Kop vote, and is being quiet hoping we lynch Kop instead.

What does any of this even mean? If I'm scum, how would I have "screwed up" voting Kop? Do you believe my vote for Kop was OMGUS? If you do, why do you think an OMGUS vote from me there is scummy?

[Kop]

So I'll ask the question, ChaosOmega, what are YOUR intentions on why you placed your vote on me? And don't give me the answers of what others have put behind there votes, I want to hear your side of the bargain.

Coming from you, that's rich.

Let's look at your non-RVS votes. Your first one is Cheetory, with this reasoning:

Cheetory6 has done nothing, his three posts were votes for different users, with very little input.

And that's great, top notch. Except here's what Otolia posted earlier that page:

Cheeto

ok.
VOTE: Otolia

Even less posts than me (3). WHY IS EVERYONE SO PRO-ACTIVE ?!

You don't hide that you're following Dinare's reasoning here (and you probably should've, this whole semantic argument was terrible):

Dinare actually brings up a good point about his statement "What are you going to do if I flip town ?".

If he is town and facing a lynch, it should be when I flip town, not if I flip town.

That alone isn't sitting right with me.

I want to vote for Oka because I don't like his confidence in his argument, what if.

And then you shift to me:

In looking into it more, I think his vote is opportunistic and no real concrete reasoning, jumping on the bandwagon in hope that we push him (oto) off a cliff, and he won't get any heat from it. I just read his vote, and post and I don't get a good vibe from it, personally speaking.

Looks like you thought that was a bad post...

vote: Otolia

Otolia, any response to 126? Also, do you have any links to completed games where you've said you won't claim on D1?

This is a bad post.

This is why I'm voting you. You're hopping on unoffensive wagons immediately after other people provide support for them, without any real input from you.

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do you believe that CO's vote is something other than OMGUS? I get the sense that scum-CO screwed up with his Kop vote, and is being quiet hoping we lynch Kop instead.

What does any of this even mean? If I'm scum, how would I have "screwed up" voting Kop? Do you believe my vote for Kop was OMGUS? If you do, why do you think an OMGUS vote from me there is scummy?

So I think this is what am taking from your defence, I think your saying that I am jumping on people after others have already done it, but what would be the point in the game if others aren't allowed to jump on? What more else can I state on opinions considering you hadn't even posted a great deal? Do I just latch onto thin air and throw that at you because I have no other reasons because your votes look scummy? I mean hell, take a good look at your vote on me, and I mean take a good look, you tell me what can anybody get from that vote, there is fuck all there no reasoning, no nothing, and I am going to call you out here and say you are contradicting yourself big time, because your vote on me, stinks a big deal more than me latching onto other unoffensive wagons, because I've got a wagon on me, and what do you do? Oh sorry you've latched on without any reasons at all, other than jumping on after others have provided support and that is the same shit you've tried to throw to see if it would stick.

[ChaosOmega]

I think your saying that I am jumping on people after others have already done it, but what would be the point in the game if others aren't allowed to jump on?

Yeah, if you simplify my point to hell, it's a lot easier to argue. All of your not-RVS votes have been on people without much of a presence in the game, immediately after someone else makes a comment on them being scum, without you providing any further analysis in the slightest. It doesn't look like scumhunting, it looks opportunistic.

I mean hell, take a good look at your vote on me, and I mean take a good look, you tell me what can anybody get from that vote, there is fuck all there no reasoning, no nothing

It wasn't spoon-fed to you, but 358 is my reasoning for the vote, 417 is the extrapolation.

I am going to call you out here and say you are contradicting yourself big time, because your vote on me, stinks a big deal more than me latching onto other unoffensive wagons, because I've got a wagon on me, and what do you do? Oh sorry you've latched on without any reasons at all, other than jumping on after others have provided support and that is the same shit you've tried to throw to see if it would stick.

You're a little biased on the matter, don't you think? And you can keep saying my vote on you is baseless, but it's not true.

[Kop]

I think your saying that I am jumping on people after others have already done it, but what would be the point in the game if others aren't allowed to jump on?

Yeah, if you simplify my point to hell, it's a lot easier to argue. All of your not-RVS votes have been on people without much of a presence in the game, immediately after someone else makes a comment on them being scum, without you providing any further analysis in the slightest. It doesn't look like scumhunting, it looks opportunistic.

I mean hell, take a good look at your vote on me, and I mean take a good look, you tell me what can anybody get from that vote, there is fuck all there no reasoning, no nothing

It wasn't spoon-fed to you, but 358 is my reasoning for the vote, 417 is the extrapolation.

I am going to call you out here and say you are contradicting yourself big time, because your vote on me, stinks a big deal more than me latching onto other unoffensive wagons, because I've got a wagon on me, and what do you do? Oh sorry you've latched on without any reasons at all, other than jumping on after others have provided support and that is the same shit you've tried to throw to see if it would stick.

You're a little biased on the matter, don't you think? And you can keep saying my vote on you is baseless, but it's not true.

I am going to go back and look at your first point, because your wrong. And I'll show you, you are wrong.

Your second point, that reasoning for your vote on me, is that actually a reason?

And I am being biased, no, I am telling you, you are doing the exact thing your accusing me off. It's not baseless, it's call opportunistic, ahh scratch that word out, that's what your accusing me off, so I'll have to use something different, I'll use contradictory.

[Kop]

Vote Count 1.09

Otolia (5) - xRECKONERx, Cheetory6, Untrod Tripod, Dinare, PeaceBringer
PeaceBringer (2) - Wrong Song, elusive
Untrod Tripod (2) - GuyInFreezer, Quilford
Dinare (1) - Otolia
Kop (1) - hitogoroshi
Wrong Song (1) - ChaosOmega

Not Voting (1) - Kop

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, May 7, 2015, at 11:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-07 23:30:00).

Moderator Comments

Equinox is V/LA until April 30.
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until April 30.

vote: Otolia

Otolia, any response to 126? Also, do you have any links to completed games where you've said you won't claim on D1?

Everybody doing the work, Chaos, only engaged towards Oto once before his vote, isn't that the basis that he is trying to accuse me off?

Vote Count 1.14

Otolia (3) - Dinare, PeaceBringer, ChaosOmega
Kop (3) - hitogoroshi, Cheetory6, Wrong Song
Dinare (2) - Otolia, xRECKONERx
PeaceBringer (2) - elusive, Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (2) - GuyInFreezer, Quilford
ChaosOmega (1) - Kop

Not Voting (0)

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Thursday, May 7, 2015, at 11:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-07 23:30:00).

Moderator Comments

Equinox is V/LA until April 30.
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until April 30.

unvote, vote: Kop

Now at this point, that's his vote, put on when others had already put focus on myself.

I looked through at the FOS being put on Chaos, and I think with me pushing for Chaos, a few people questioned it at the time, so weren't actually supporting the chaos wagon, up until the votes started piling on him, and now he is throwing shit at me accusing me off jumping on him off others doing the work.

[Kop]

Kop:

I was the one who conjured the Otolia wagon into being, and now I'm voting you. How does that make you feel? Who should I vote for?

It makes me all warm and fuzzy.

UNVOTE: Oto

VOTE: ChaosOmega

That's where I would like your vote.

In looking into it more, I think his vote is opportunistic and no real concrete reasoning, jumping on the bandwagon in hope that we push him (oto) off a cliff, and he won't get any heat from it. I just read his vote, and post and I don't get a good vibe from it, personally speaking.

That's where I'm putting my vote, until he convinces me that I should remove it.

Quilford, that looks intense - hope everything is okay in your town. Also is your avatar the cartoon character who is like Spongebob's equivalent (I feel like I saw a thing recently where there was a Spongebob the nicest cartoon match vs another nicest cartoon that looks like your avatars but I don't watch that show).

Hito, I'm not running anyone up to L1 - you missed some of the conversation there - I would probably reread and figure out the two people I was responding to. In short, people want to run up Otolia to L1 to force him to claim. I'm not a fan of running people up unless I think they are seriously scummy, there are other ways to pressure. Also in regards to claim - sometimes a stupid wagon loses spark and people start unvoting because they talk to the run up player and realize he or she isn't scummy or the wagon was kind of weird to begin with. M

Town would anyway state "Intent to hammer in {time frame}" so the person at L1 shouldn't claim until that point. What if they are a PR and claiming hurts town or causes them to get NKed?

I don't even remember ChaosOmega in this game, I have to look at him in ISO.

Oh and Cheetory is in this game

Proving my point q.q
Talk with me about Kop. What's your read there and why?

In looking into it more, I think his vote is opportunistic and no real concrete reasoning, jumping on the bandwagon in hope that we push him (oto) off a cliff, and he won't get any heat from it.

Why do you think someone whose vote looks opportunistic isn't going to get heat in that case?

Btw I meant to say in regards to Oto that it was less likely to come from scum, not town. A miswording in my typing and my cat just knocked the power out in my room.

If he was prompted to give meta, why is it townish for him to provide meta?
Like, I could get it if he was like "look at these games" without someone asking him to, but that isn't what happened.

I've looked through his ISO, the only sketchy thing I see would be his his lack of use of his vote, which, ehh.... I would need to see more from him before I can go through my thoughts on him.

What do you think about his vote on CO?

xReckoner, you've also been off my radar so what are you currently thinking about the game state?

I'm thinking that hito is getting townbinned for now because I don't even want to start to believe he's scum. Can reevaluate later.

I'm wanting a lot more from UT here, so he's null.

Quil's lack of activity seems null to me, which means I'll keep my standard Quilford townread until further notice.

The Kop/Cheetory thing is super boring and seems to boil down to Cheetory screaming about Kop ignoring his question. I don't think the whole IGNORE MY QUESTION thing is as relevant as people think, but whatever. I remember thinking Kop was slightly scummy earlier for a totally different reason, some little gut twinge off of a post when I was skimming, but it didn't stick with me. Cheetory is town and earnest, from my POV.

I don't even know who ChaosOmega is. Forgot GIF was playing.

Dinare v Otolia has some kind of meat to it but it's hard to chew because of how silly some of their stuff is and I truly cannot get a grasp on what's going on, there, but I think there's probably scum involved.

PeaceBringer is a weird one. I don't like how he basically made up meta/history with me in order to kind of brush off my line of questioning, but I don't know if it's genuine or not. Certainly icky, but there's also something tonally about his posts that make me think 'town' for some reason.

Uhhh who's left? Oh. Wrong Song. So WS has been posting but I have actually skipped every one of his posts because that was just the username I decided I was going to skim and worry about later. I suppose I should actually read it.

Also the speed of Otolio's wagon makes me have that feeling that its not a scum wagon.

Speed of wagon is highly irrelevant.

I can see a point in that, but it can work both ways to be honest. From experience of playing in mafia games, I've seen easy targets been run up fairly quickly by scum hopping on and hoping that others join in, but Dependant on the experience of who is on the scum team could also determine things. I have been on scum team on another site, not here, and tried to dissuade others from jumping on quickly to keep attention off us, when the wagon gets reviewed and why everybody was on it. I am thinking along the lines after the past few pages, Oto isn't a scum wagon, to be honest, regardless of the speed it went, I think it's a case of one or two scum have hopped on in hope that the momentum it went, they saw it could potentially get to the finishing line.

That's the case I'm thinking on ChaosOmega, didn't like in general the way he voted, that's what is telling me it was opportunistic because I feel that he has voted in knowing that the wagon has momentum, one push in hope to get it closer to the line, without real reason to why his vote was there.

What are everybodies thoughts on ChaosOmega? The only post I recall was his vote, I feel that it's scummy in the manner he did it in.

What are everybodies thoughts on ChaosOmega? The only post I recall was his vote, I feel that it's scummy in the manner he did it in.

I didn't even remember Chaos was in this game

so... I guess it didn't strike me at the time?

Chaos barely mentioned before I voted for him, and look through those posts and you tell me, where I conjured on jumping on everybodys work, when people even barely remembered him being in the game, now If I jumped on other peoples work, surely they would remember your name?

[Cheetory6]

eck.
post tonight. sorry.
Have become absorbed with Steven Universe.

[elusive]

Yeah I apologize even more this has to wait 'til tomorrow. I'm off both Tues/Wednesday, but both Sunday/Monday I'm working 8hr+ shifts. I have a wicked aches right now and for some reason I keep getting hot then cold so :\

I just went through a nasty cold\flu that turned into a throat infection so check your fever and make your way to a doctor if over the counter stuff isn't making it better. Feel better, Wrong Song.

Kop Vs. ChaosOmega actually makes me lean scum on Otolio.

Cheetory6, did you just grey out your avatar or something? Also, I want you and xreckoner dead. Like asap.

Looking at the wagons, is it two town? One scum and one town counterwagon?

What about all the other votes?

If I had to choose between ChaosOmega and Kop, I'd vote Chaos because he has more limited interactions overall it feels like.

Kop and Chaos can you both do reads list? Where you stand on the players so far?

Also, is Quilford notoriously lurky or is this a this game thing? Because whether its the former or the latter, that's going to be a problem.