Game of Thrones

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i am books

[Brandi]

I mean, I think if someone

is

going to do a book related spoiler it might just be convenient for everyone for them to just say

Book Related:

the audience dies

or something like that.

[Venmar]

JH is taking the books too far into this thread

[Faraday]

I mean, I think if someone

is

going to do a book related spoiler it might just be convenient for everyone for them to just say

Book Related:

the audience dies

or something like that.

could just like not post post massive book spoilers here either and instead discuss them in the other 14 threads

[Brandi]

Well whatever the majority wants and is most comforted by. It was my understanding that pretty much everyone except me and a few other people haven't read them. But now it seems to not be the case. =p

[Rhinox]

OH MY GOD

[killerjester]

OH MY GOD

[Aeronaut]

OH MY GOD

[Aeronaut]

I


just


aaaaaaaah

[AniX]

Head Writer: "Alright, Dany's plot from DWD is already pretty tedious, and we already cut most of the interesting stuff out, but I really think if we dig deep we can really make the plot uninteresting and aimless for literally everyone."

[hasdgfas]

yeah, nobody cares about those minor characters. SAND SNAKES!

[RichardGHP]

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

[xRECKONERx]

R+L=J confirmed last night for any keen watchers

also uhhh I was really disappointed by the Sand Snakes?

ALSO holy shit that Stannis scene with his daughter was the best part of the season so far.

[Iecerint]

Yeah, the whole Dorne plot seems really one-dimensional right now. I was hoping we would get scenes of Myrcella feeling like Dorne is her home in some really important sense by now, but I guess we won't get them if Suzie-From-Torchwood-and-friends want to kill her.

The end of the episode is fine. Dany has enough ancillary characters around her to do whatever they want with her plotline. It's frustrating that the function of that event in the story is basically to lazily establish Sons of the Harpy as a legitimate threat. I don't think it's that effective because they're still literally faceless. It's hard to root against something so depersonalized. We need to have had some kind of scene with the actual Harpy leader, but I don't know how they're going to make the Harpy leader compelling beyond "I want my slaves back," whereas complex villains are everywhere in Westeros.

Sansa's plotline is definitely my favorite part of the show right now, and not just because I'm not sure how it will end.

[xRECKONERx]

I get

why

they did it. Sure, they needed to establish the Harpys as a real threat, but I think more importantly, it creates an opportunity for Jorah to return. Daario left to go do stuff. Grey Worm is incapacitated, the Unsullied decimated. Selmy is dead. I don't see Missandei being a big help since she's not really an "advisor"... which means, yes, Dany will welcome the hell out of any help she can get from Jorah + Tyrion. I also wish we kinda knew what Varys was doing now since AFAIK he's still just chillin' at the brothel. But it does feel kind of cheap to have Selmy die just to open the door for Jorah to reenter the picture. The Harpys were threatening enough just by having them take out Unsullied. We didn't need to see a completely unrealistic, asinine riot/fight scene with Grey Worm & Barristan to drive that home. *shrug* I thought the fighting was really sloppy and almost made me giggle at the idea of Unsullied being great fighters.

Sansa's storyline and the stuff at the Wall are now the most interesting friggin' things on the show, and that's saying a lot considering my least favorite thing for the past 4 seasons has been "anything happening in the North". I'm very interested to see how Sansa follows LF's advice to, "Take Ramsay, make him yours". Stannis/daughter was touching. Melisandre basically confirmed some shit about Jon. Jon got a good moment or two as Lord Commander, and even Sam was tolerable. The confirmation that Mel is marching to Winterfell w/ Stannis and company is truly intriguing to me. We see them leaving the Wall next week, so I think we're headed towards a battle before the end of the season.

Spoiler: Tinfoil Stannis Theory

Anyone else feel like they're building up to this whole Brienne thing as a way to kill Stannis? With no Stoneheart in the show, nobody has really forced Brienne to question her loyalties. This setup where Brienne/Pod + Sansa + Stannis are all converging together is intriguing, because it sets up that dilemma for Brienne without LSH. Sansa's safest place to be is with Stannis. So, is Brienne more devoted to Catelyn and therefore allowing Sansa to say with Stannis in Winterfell? Or, will Brienne let her loyalty to Renly win out and avenge her king's death by offing Stannis? I can't help but feel it's going to be the latter, because I mean, the show is FINALLY making Stannis a sympathetic character this season, and that's just the show's style...

[Rhinox]

R+L=J confirmed last night for any keen watchers

Spoiler: R+L=J commentary from last episode

As soon as they showed Ned and Robert in the crypts at winterfell from season 1 in the "previously on..." I knew it was happening and started getting all excited! Then there was Stannis being all "That's not Ned's way" and Littlefinger telling Sansa about the tourney at harrenhall. I'm watching with my wife who is unsullied and she didn't understand why I got so excited at just the preview and it was hard not to spoil anything, but I kinda feel like my wife won't really care as much about the revelation in/when it is confirmed as me. The show is clearly setting it up, but hasn't yet touched on why anyone should care if Ned isn't Jon's father and what that might mean going further.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm worried about the fates of some characters moving forward.

Almost surely going to die before end of season based on released plot details/synposis/episode names:

Bronn (dies rescuing Myrcella), Jorah (I think he'll die after going back to Dany by being roasted alive), Meryn Trant (Arya's kill, maybe Syrio reveal?), Mace Tyrell (killed by Trant), Tormund (Hardholme), Jon Snow (For the Watch!), Kevan Lannister (Varys isn't there to kill him, so probably Littlefinger), Pycelle (see Kevan)

Possibly dead before end of season based on purely speculation and no book stuff:

Jamie (how does he get out of Dorne?), Brienne (may die during Sansa rescue), Podrick (can't see him sticking around w/out Brienne), Loras (trial by combat?), Tommen (leaving the throne empty and KL in ruins, Margaery ruined)

[hasdgfas]

also uhhh I was really disappointed by the Sand Snakes?

They're not really "good" characters, but I like them a lot. They looked exactly how I expected them to, and were as one-dimensional as their characters in the book. It was essentially the perfect representation of "bad characters" who I still love.

[xRECKONERx]

but Obara's monologue was TERRIBLE

[Iecerint]

but Obara's monologue was TERRIBLE

[Iecerint]

I noticed that one of Cersei's scenes was slightly edited (I think?) based on what was leaked before. I was really hoping the monologue would be edited, too.

[hasdgfas]

but Obara's monologue was TERRIBLE

I believe it was pretty similar to her monologue in the books. I didn't really have a problem with it.

[Rhinox]

When Barriston and Dany were talking about Rhegar and Barriston left for a walk, I was thinking that if I didn't know any better, Barriston was not going to be making it back from that walk alive. SURPRISE!

[quadz08]

https://imgur.com/ZojM9ft

(spoilers for S5E4)

[AniX]

R+L=J confirmed last night for any keen watchers

also uhhh I was really disappointed by the Sand Snakes?

ALSO holy shit that Stannis scene with his daughter was the best part of the season so far.

Confirmed is a VERY strong word.

I mean, they certainly hinted at it, but there is by all means plenty of ways it can play out without R and L equaling J. Hell, I don't even think R + L was completely confirmed