Mini 1668 - Mafia in Bremen - Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

He's lurking his ass off, at the very least help me pressure him so we can get a cleaner read.

[Nikanor]

Vote Count 1.05

Prolapsed Brain (4)

- HaVoC, TheDudeAbides, Jake from State Farm, BlueBloodedToffee

Rune (3)

- TheReverend, Arceus, Prolapsed Brain

Arceus (2)

- Dialga, Elyse

HaVoC (1)

- RadiantCowbells

Palkia (1)

- Rune

Not Voting (2)

- NotAnAxehole, Palkia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-14 11:36:57).

Dialga is being replaced.

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@MOD: Would it be unreasonable to request that vote counts (or at least links to them) are edited into one of your intro posts? (preferably #0 or #3)

You can easily see all vote counts by looking at my posts in isolation (ISO).

[Rune]

I should have thought of that.

[NotAnAxehole]

Scum

TheDudeAbides
HaVoC

Neutral

Dialga
Jake from State Farm

Town

Prolapsed Brain
Arceus
Elyse
Dannflor/thatotherguy
BlueBloodedToffee
TheReverend
Rune
RadiantCowbells

I kind of read diagonally across the pages...

Radiant Cowbells - No real justification, it's just the general vibe from the posts
Rune - Dislike his reads, but In general, I think he's playing a decent town game
TheReverend - Well if this hasn't been obvious for a while...
BlueBloodedtoffee - I've had this town read for a while now... He honestly does not appear to be thinking.
Dannflor/thepokemon - See BBT, new player is useless. I would honestly policy lynch him if I had no reads.
Elyse - I think she's really easy to read, there is no chance she's winning this game as scum
Arceus - I think this is probably the least accurate read, his posting seems town, but I honestly couldn't get myself to read the contents
Prolapsed Brain - Agreed, it doesn't make you scum though.

TheDudeAbides - First few pages, he's really certain that Rune is town, he thinks that the reverend could be scum, I could be scum, thinks Dan could be scum.. Calls out a potential scum pair on post 99, his third post without backing it up, never swings a vote to most people who he says "maybe scum", sees no reason to apply pressure to anyone but PB?

havoc - still to come...

[RadiantCowbells]

Havoc in a bunch of scumpiles but only has one vote.

Interesting.

[Palkia]

you're town arceus is town and elyse is scum but there's no wagon there so VOTE: havoc sure

[Rune]

Rc I have a few comments but I will probably vote to apply pressure. Only after work though as I want to add my comments.

[Elyse]

P-edit: Uhh I don't really see that. I get your point about Rune's townread on you, but I don't like Arceus' tone at all and if you look at his arguments, they don't make sense.

I guess it doesn't help that I'm scumreading rune still. I mean if rune is scum, arceus looks a whole lot better. It could be blinkers that have me towning arceus. But his tone has a dinstinct air of idgaf, rather than someone who is trying to appease.

Of course rune looks better after the exchange with me. I derped, so it wasn't exactly difficult for him to get the upper hand in that little battle. That doesn't make him town.

Maybe I'm getting caught up in the obviously large amount of effort Rune is putting into the game, but I think he's looking better and better. I understand what you're saying, but that's more of a newb thing than a scum thing. In a game that just finished (RC and TDA can attest to this), I ran up (as scum) Taly, a new player who basically townread and scumread people based solely on their interactions with him. Rune isn't doing this, but it's a similar argument.

@Rune
I only mentioned the ongoing game thing because it might be against site rules. I just find it safer to ignore any current games that people in this game might be playing.

But if I can't trust you to post when you say you will post when you have almost no posts to begin with, I refuse to reward you with a townread.

wtf

Seriously What. The. Fuck.

Also,

unvote

VOTE: Rune

...for the highly telling scumslip in that same post.

Explain please. And explain your previous vote.

164 - Elyse, why did you choose to vote Rune over PB?

I was scumreading Rune more.

Havoc in a bunch of scumpiles but only has one vote.

Interesting.

He's not my biggest scumread but I'll help you out.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HaVoC

[HaVoC]

VOTE: Havoc

Everything he does feels tactical and insincere.

I stand by my scumread on Dannflor, I townread PB, I'm neutral to rune now.

@RC you have been going ham on me ever since 254, trying to get more votes together. I find it a bit too convenient that the point which you turned on me instead of on Dannflor who you say you still scumread came right after I called out either you or Rune(who i still scumread). It seems like a omgus to me.

Also why do you townread PB at this point?
you responded to Rune's same question with

As non-consecutive non-odd non-even non-night non-day cop, I can confirm that PB is town and we should all get to lynching Havoc.

Could you expand on the PB townread, since I still read him as scum?

[TheReverend]

I can't figure out why havoc is a thing. It has me thinking that there's scum with votes and this is the counterwagon. I mean I see no reason to town havoc, but then again he has five posts and can't really see what the scum case is on him other than lynch a lurker. Seems like a convenient wagon.

[TheReverend]

Wait there's only elyse and cowbells on havoc, and I'm towning both of those.

I'm still not really seeing a scum case without some meta to back it up, but my suspicion that this is a scum driven counterwagon is likely to be wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

Could you expand on the PB townread, since I still read him as scum?

Rather not.

@RC you have been going ham on me ever since 254, trying to get more votes together. I find it a bit too convenient that the point which you turned on me instead of on Dannflor who you say you still scumread came right after I called out either you or Rune(who i still scumread). It seems like a omgus to me.

I don't particularly care what it seems like to you. If you think I'm scum, push a counterwagon on me.

[Rune]

@Rev - Palkia also voted havoc but yeah, it's a hard sell to me too.

@RC

I actually think Havoc's latest post brings up some valid points. I will not vote for him to add pressure unless:

1) clear questions are asked of him that he does not answer, and which I think are important for him to answer.
2) he stops posting and goes back to lurking.
3) my other priorities continue to be ignored by the rest of the town.

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@RC I think you would be better off building a case for your townread of PB. You're Free to do otherwise, but any knowledge you share will help me (and others) develop their reads.
I'd also like to have a better reason to hop onto a havoc bandwagon. I think pressure on Arceus would be far more effective, and I still think people are letting Dan/Palkia off the hook way too easily.

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@Axe

What about PB do you find town?
What do you think of my arguments against Dan/Palkia?
Why do you townread arceus without reading his posts? They are pretty awful.

What about havoc? Why would he be one of your only two scum reads and you don't post your case on him? Why didn't you add your vote, considering your scum read and RC's push for a wagon?

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While I strongly believe Dan/Palkia is the best D1 lynch, for the sake of getting more info to the town on possible scum,

VOTE: UNVOTE
VOTE: Vote: Arceus

@Arceus - start by responding to Elyse, and we'll go from there.

@Elyse, what do you think of applying pressure to Arceus vs Havoc?

[Rune]

@RC what are your other reads right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC what are your other reads right now?

My read is that Annie is adorable.

I really want to lynch you because I hate the way you post but I have a feeling you'd flip town.

[Elyse]

I'm good with either. I want to see Havoc provide more content before I consider moving my vote because I quite like it there at the moment. His response didn't impress me much. (So, you have a car? That don't impress me much. Sure, you, got the moves but do ya got the touch?)

[RadiantCowbells]

I think it's actually kind of sad Reverend's response to me pushing this wgaon.

[TheReverend]

Is elyse singing Shania Twain?

Yeah I don't like my response to you pushing the wagon either. It was what I thought for a minute, and unfortunately I didn't think it through for any longer before posting. Whatever. I'm null as fuck on havoc, and leaning town on you, so it's no biggie to me. If you have a problem with me derping, vote for me.

[Rune]

@RC

Feel free to make suggestions, my inexperience in forum mafia (the Normal game in particular) and the impact that has on what I feel is appropriate to comment / how I post is obviously a sore point for multiple people. But if it requires extra work and/or formatting, or that I deviate from writing as I think with minimal editing afterwards, you'll probably be out of luck and I don't really care.

There are a lot of people in this game who I think post terribly (including hardly at all) and are doing the town a huge disservice by doing so. If I was able to lynch them all, the town would be very small indeed, so I don't want to do that and will live with it. That's where empathy and playing to one's wincon comes in.

So, yeah, if you continue to avoid answering my questions, which in this case were meant to determine my support for your wagon, I'm just going to continue operating independently from you for now. Unfortunately I know this is not a viable long-term scumhunting strategy, and I wish you were more willing to work together here.

@Elyse,

I'm not confident that Havoc is a good D1 lynch. I don't think that he has any motivation to respond to pressure, and I don't fully get the case for this bandwagon against him, even though I do find him somewhat scummy. I don't have any pressing questions for him at the moment either. Since he now seems to posting somewhat more regularly (hopefully the trend continues), I'm fine with letting him dig his own grave or climb out of it on his own.

[Rune]

To elaborate, I think there would be motivation to respond to pressure if someone asked him some questions that needed answering.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Axe

What about PB do you find town?
- His posts are consistently bad as yours are consistently good, and I can only assume that there are scum on that wagon given... Probability

What do you think of my arguments against Dan/Palkia?
- I don't think they're any good. I think a lot of it surrounds the L-1 of PB which has more chance of coming from a town than a scum. Scum would like to ideally take spots 2-4 on the wagon, they're safer.

Why do you townread arceus without reading his posts? They are pretty awful.
- Why I didn't read them

[NotAnAxehole]

What I mean by that first statement is, if I have a scum read on him, I should also have one on you, because the quality of the posts aren't a determinant factor.

[NotAnAxehole]

What I mean by that first statement is, if I have a scum read on him, I should also have one on you, because the quality of the posts aren't a determinant factor.

[Nikanor]

Hostile Intent replaces Dialga, welcome!

[Hostile Intent]

Hi.