Mini 1668 - Mafia in Bremen - Game Over!

[Oversoul]

I don't have access to a computer now. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can BBT before the thread is locked.

I would like to know who all the pokemon alts are, Palkia reminds me of Varsoon or something.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ugh.

I fucking hate alts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Arghhhhh, why no PEdit. FFS.

[Palkia]

301 - Palkia, how does what PB posted make you unvote Arceus?

i like you so i'll explain this once

arceus' utter failure to keep track of who i replaced, thinking i replaced pb despite 2 pb posts on the same page, and then admitting it, is more indicative of town. scum have no reason to fake that shit, and would likely be more apt to closely track playerslots due to having scumpartners, and he's also not the type of player to take that risk

his behavior and confusion this game also read as highly genuine, and stunk of town wgeurts rather than scum wgeurts.

[Palkia]

i shall bless this game with my twilight reads

Palkia
Arceus
BlueBloodedToffee
RadiantCowbells
NotAnAxehole
TheReverend

TheDudeAbides
Jake from State Farm
Rune
HaVoC
Prolapsed Brain

Hostile Intent
Elyse

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Palkia is Anti.

Arceus was Wgeurts?

[Oversoul]

BBT scum lean read/Rev town mainly stems from your interaction with Rev about his self vote. I thought Rev came away looking town there, but I think I am in the minority in that.

I don't think Rev would actually say those things if he was scummy. It is partly "too scummy to be scum" and also the way he handled all of that pressure on him. He didn't get defensive in a way that he would lash out at others or forgot to scumhunt like most scum do.

BBT on the other hand looked too dogmatic about the self vote discussion. You harped on that point for a long time considering how Rev answered it. The whole exchange felt like you needed something to comment on, saw an opportunity to talk, and took it.
I didn't actually think the self vote talk was meaningfully contributing to your scumhunting at that moment.
Plus, our play styles don't jive. I think I may need to calibrate my Scumdar for you or else I'm just going to naturally find you scummy but that's on me and not you. :/

[Oversoul]

Antihero? How do you know BBT?

[Palkia]

claim: innocent child

peace out bitches

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You wouldn't be the first. I'm naturally scum read until people understand it's a play-style thing.

What do you think about Rev mixing up his reads, trying to defend it, then backtracking completely?

[Palkia]

just kidding

but i'll be confirmed town day 2 anyway no matter what so scum thinking they can push me for the quickhammer, be ready to give it the fuck up

[Oversoul]

I thought Axe was town for his comment about Rune. It appears that he, Rune, and Nikanor all play face to face together or something. I think the random compliment to Rune is more likely to come from town than scum, as Rune was facing growing pressure in that moment. Axe easily could have let his comment slide. He didn't need to make it.
I also liked his early reads list and the logic about separating reads + reasoning. Felt genuine and town motivated, like he wanted legitimate discussion on his reads/various players.

The read weakened towards the later pages because I don't like his reasoning for the scum reads. They feel canned.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oversoul you're crushing my scum read I had on that slot

Also, if it was Wgeurts, I think I have scum read him in every game we have played/I have seen him in so I would need to reevaluate that read pronto.

Anti, can you confirm if Arceus was Wgeurts? If so, how do you know?

[Oversoul]

You wouldn't be the first. I'm naturally scum read until people understand it's a play-style thing.

What do you think about Rev mixing up his reads, trying to defend it, then backtracking completely?

What do you mean? I didn't think he back tracked from it? The mistake looked honest but I must have overlooked how he responded.

[Oversoul]

BBT, when you do catch up posts, run me through the exact process you use?

[Palkia]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6795516

[Palkia]

also he told me

wgeurts also wouldn't replace out as scum like this

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I read the page, multi-quoting the posts I want to respond to.

Then, I preview so I can see them altogether. Read them more carefully, comment on each post as I see fit.

PEdit - That is an awesome thread that I have never seen before.

I think Oversoul is town. Nice.

[Oversoul]

So you don't read the most recent posts? Sometimes I cheat and do that on my rereads

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm always skimming the game to try and keep up (even if I'm not posting)

I very rarely catch up cold where I haven't read a single thing but I don't process it fully until I'm actually catching up.

[Oversoul]

Ok, that makes sense why you didn't know Arceus had been replaced

[Oversoul]

Palkia is now vying with Rev for my strongest town read hmm

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What do you mean? I didn't think he back tracked from it? The mistake looked honest but I must have overlooked how he responded.

He tried to sidestep the initial issue claiming it was because he had mixed up players. However, the issue remained the same, just the players names changed.

He claimed Rune/myself were scum because of the way Rune town read me early game and tried to get Reverend to look in another direction (away from me). He later claimed that I'm not scum because he couldn't see scum!Rune defending scum!BBT in that way (despite explicitly using this reasoning earlier in the game).

When I questioned him on it just now, he claimed '111' posts had happened. This, again, does not address the issue and nothing had changed.

Twice he tried to defend his slip, with two different reasons, and both times the reasoning fell flat on it's face.

He lacks consistency in his reads and I think it's because he is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, Anti is town. Agree on that.

I cannot see the Rev town read though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That hammer was bad though Anti.

We needed more from a few people, most notably HI, Jake, TDA and Havoc.