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Post Post #3300 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 7:47 am

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Vote Count 3.21


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (2): notscience, TierShift
Cephrir (1): xRECKONERx
Iecerint (1): T-Bone
xRECKONERx (1): Wisdom
TierShift (1): shos
shos (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (2): Cephrir, Iecerint

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Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
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Post Post #3301 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:08 am

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In post 3293, Wisdom wrote:As for why Tbone is scum with Reck;

One point was the fact Tbone claimed he blocked Eddie - that would be quite dangerous unless he knew Eddie doesn't have a night action. The only way he could know that is if Reck or shos, who received messages from mollie/Eddie during the day, informed him, making it safe to claim a block on Eddie.

The other point is the fact that nobody has followed me on pushing you (Ceph) other than Reck. If you and Reck are town, I am quite sure that at least one of Tbone's scumbuddies would join the counterwagon. That to me means either Reck is the buddy who joined the counterwagon, or you (Ceph) are also scum.

Uhh didn't mollie or one of them like outright claim during the day or something?

What if me/Ceph/TBone are ALL town then
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Post Post #3302 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:12 am

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Yes, but it was pretty understated as evidenced by literally everyone saying they forgot or didn't notice
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Post Post #3303 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:14 am

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Well I mean... okay. But I'm saying I forgot too and it's being pushed so at this point it's like "someone is lying" which could mean anyone not just me?
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Post Post #3304 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:18 am

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The argument is that the claim didn't include the word "day"

Therefore only a message recipient could know claiming a block on wisdom was safe

I think it's a reach
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Post Post #3305 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:21 am

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yeah that's pretty bad logic

There are so many possible scenarios where Town-TB actually blocks Wisdom regardless of that claim

There are also possible scenarios where Scum-TB blocks or fakeclaims against Wisdom regardless of the claim
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Post Post #3306 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:33 am

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In post 3301, xRECKONERx wrote:What if me/Ceph/TBone are ALL town then

that could be, the point was why I think you are tbone's scumbuddy if he is scum
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Post Post #3307 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:34 am

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In post 3301, xRECKONERx wrote:Uhh didn't mollie or one of them like outright claim during the day or something?

Yes, mollie claimed messenger, but not day messenger. Standard messenger sends messages at night.
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Post Post #3308 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:37 am

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In post 3305, xRECKONERx wrote:There are also possible scenarios where Scum-TB blocks or fakeclaims against Wisdom regardless of the claim

Those scenarios are: scum blocking a messenger, scum missing the claim and blocking Eddie, and scum risking claiming they blocked someone without knowing if they have a night action or not.

All of those seem unlikely to me.
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Post Post #3309 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:37 am

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but she sent me a message d1 didnt she claim then too
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Post Post #3310 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:38 am

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In post 806, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 804, xRECKONERx wrote:mollie have you made any attempt at all to
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well, I attempted to help you with cabd by voting him with you, I was waiting around for you to push more (and I get that is hard to do when he is being a lurksack) so i support you and follow-up and i sent you a message so yeah I wld say that I have!

we do great with board games and f2f I just don't understand why it doesn't translate to forum mafia. I am not giving up tho COS SOMEDAY IT IS GONNA HAPPEN.

this is during d1
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Post Post #3311 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:39 am

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That's not a clear claim. I doubt anyone other than you understood it.
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Post Post #3312 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:40 am

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ok but it's possible to be picked up on so
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Post Post #3313 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:40 am

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and if scum did catch it they wouldn't say so
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Post Post #3314 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 8:41 am

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Unlikely.
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Post Post #3315 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:25 am

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If you say so
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Post Post #3316 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:34 am

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hey guys I'm trying to not fall behind the game and all but gf is sick and she takes a lot of my time :/

I've read up, I don't have anything specific to say; you're all theorizing your momma over who can be what and with whom and all
this is wrong mafia play guys
scum are caught one by one.

In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.

sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.

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I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.
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Post Post #3317 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:44 am

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the above post gave me cancer
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Post Post #3318 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:48 am

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In post 3316, shos wrote:hey guys I'm trying to not fall behind the game and all but gf is sick and she takes a lot of my time :/

I've read up, I don't have anything specific to say; you're all theorizing your momma over who can be what and with whom and all
this is wrong mafia play guys
scum are caught one by one.

In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.

sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.

it
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I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.

This is a scummy post.

People who don't try to figure stuff out fail to do so because they already know what's up. People aren't sure on what's up re: wagons because they're not sure what's up.

Your suggestion that someone else choose 2-3 wagons to focus on is completely benign.
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Post Post #3319 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:49 am

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In post 3316, shos wrote:In my eyes, the fact that we have gone so much time into the day and literally no wagon rose over 2-3 votes means we're on the right track. there's much resistance to what seems to be ALL wagons? when does that happen? when the wagons are on scum.

When the town is dithering and can't come to an agreement. Basically you're saying "scum haven't all piled on one wagon yet therefore all the wagons are scum except actually hang on I think only 1-2 of them is scum and the scum aren't piling on a counterwagon because ???"

There's just no logic to this post at all.

In post 3316, shos wrote:sooo I think that since me, tier and reck aren't quite the popular wagons everyone thinks will go throguh, I bet this is at least one scum voting, and at least 1 or 2 scums in the other wagons - {Tbone, Ceph, Iec}. this fits with my previous theory of Tbone and Iec scumtogeter, so I'm still leaning on checking that way.

This is a totally fucking random conclusion.

In post 3316, shos wrote:it really doesn't look like any new arguments are being considered. it's all blabber of, we have X events, each one rates it differently by order of importance and alignment-telling level, and it's a dead end.

You clearly aren't paying attention. We're discussing nuanced looks at the things we know. My opinions are shifting at the least -- I wanted to lynch Reck & T-Bone 5 pages ago and I don't think I want to lynch either of them now.

In post 3316, shos wrote:I offer a suggestion - we choose two/three wagons and focus on them. ifsomething new arises, of course, everyone can offer a new one; but for now, focus on less.

How about we scumhunt instead

What is this supposed to do? "Everyone stop your vanity wagons, but I'm not saying which ones to stop, and also it's ok to start new vanity wagons"

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Post Post #3320 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:52 am

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It's funny, I think this shos post is pretty town
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Post Post #3321 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:53 am

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Somehow I am not surprised.
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Post Post #3322 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:54 am

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No wonder you're scumreading me then, you can't read :P
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Post Post #3323 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:55 am

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I can read, and this made me feel much better about shos
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Post Post #3324 (ISO) » Wed May 06, 2015 9:56 am

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I don't get how you have a townread on Tiershift btw.

Like, I don't have a GLARING SCUMREAD on Tiershift at all. I have like, as null a read as exists in this game. But I have feel like I have town moments from most people in the game, so he's a relative scumread for me if anything. And the cowardly part of me is attracted to mastin/ns's wagon there because the risk of lynching the roleblocker is gone.

But he will probably come back from V/LA in a few days and be obvtown and so on.

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