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Post Post #3975 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:25 am

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In post 3970, TierShift wrote:I might not. But only in the case that it's both night action AND that we lynch ANOTHER two town in the following days, something that doesn't seem likely at all to me.

It's not likely that we lynch town today and in lylo? Really?
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Post Post #3976 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:26 am

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If shos and wisdom lynch me and then greyICE, maybe the dream can be reified. :roll:

Pedit: I think that you targeting yourself is pretty alignment-neutral. Cabd had a scummy action. Cephrir has a scummy action. The game has seemingly-useless stuff that just helps to make roles less vanilla.

Which reminds me that Cephrir is randomly also a miller. I don't think any other random modifiers have been tacked-on to anyone else.
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Post Post #3977 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:26 am

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Iece, I do somewhat agree with your assessment that it sounds like a don't-lynch-me-card for both today and tomorrow, now that I think about it.

I fakeclaim well as scum...that's all I have to say. There are probably some teammates of you out there who know.
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Post Post #3978 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:27 am

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I'm in a little battle with myself here re: Tbone and TS
we have the flips and a damn good reason to believe Iece is scum but....

both Tbone and TS have claims *so fucking bad* that I'm having a really hard time to believe that with a 3-man scumteam and 12 players contributing, *this* is the best effort they could come up with. when I'm scum I think about my fakeclaims SUPER CAREFULLY. there's gotta be at least one of the 12 people involved in being scum here that has thought about this deeper.

maybe I'm completely offset.
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Post Post #3979 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:27 am

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Do you have good fakeclaim examples?

Who else is on your team?
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Post Post #3980 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:28 am

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I'm listening, Tier, what exactly is the thought process?

"I won't use it yet, I will wait until N3 and hope that we have lynched scum so that it's not lylo the next day"?
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Post Post #3981 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:28 am

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@Shos, "We have the flips"?
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Post Post #3982 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:29 am

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Is only shos yet to claim?

I think ns intimated he had other parts.
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Post Post #3983 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:31 am

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In post 3975, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3970, TierShift wrote:I might not. But only in the case that it's both night action AND that we lynch ANOTHER two town in the following days, something that doesn't seem likely at all to me.

It's not likely that we lynch town today and in lylo? Really?

Well, maybe. It's just not something I use as a basis to make my night actions from.
In post 3976, Iecerint wrote:Pedit: I think that you targeting yourself is pretty alignment-neutral. Cabd had a scummy action. Cephrir has a scummy action. The game has seemingly-useless stuff that just helps to make roles less vanilla.

Uh, I don't see how it really makes sense for scum.
Which reminds me that Cephrir is randomly also a miller. I don't think any other random modifiers have been tacked-on to anyone else.

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Post Post #3984 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:32 am

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In post 3979, Iecerint wrote:Do you have good fakeclaim examples?

Imma look for you.
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egg, cheetory6 and johnnyfarrar.
In post 3980, Wisdom wrote:I'm listening, Tier, what exactly is the thought process?

"I won't use it yet, I will wait until N3 and hope that we have lynched scum so that it's not lylo the next day"?

bye wisdom nice talking to you
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Post Post #3985 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:33 am

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Iece - is 3979 at me? my team has vezok, molla and metal sonic
"we have the flips" is we know there's a cop and a doc.

am I the only one unclaimed? lolz
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Post Post #3986 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:33 am

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In post 3983, TierShift wrote:Well, maybe. It's just not something I use as a basis to make my night actions from.


So the fact the game will fucking end after we lynch town tomorrow and today and you will never use your supposed "OP because I waited 3 nights" actions has no bearing in your choice to wait until N3.
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Post Post #3987 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:33 am

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action*
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Post Post #3988 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:33 am

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This is my favorite fakeclaim.

Pedit: For example, you could be a 1-shot scum inventor instead of a 1-shot town inventor. Like, literally your role, but scum.
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Post Post #3989 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:34 am

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In post 3985, shos wrote:am I the only one unclaimed? lolz

Yes. I guess you should claim so we have a full understanding of the setup.
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Post Post #3990 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:35 am

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Of note, that fakeclaim includes it's own "keep me alive for the goods" features built-in.

But it's, ye know, just a little more subtle.
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Post Post #3991 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:35 am

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its*
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Post Post #3992 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:36 am

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In post 3985, shos wrote:Iece - is 3979 at me? my team has vezok, molla and metal sonic
"we have the flips" is we know there's a cop and a doc.

am I the only one unclaimed? lolz

The team question was at TierShift.

TierShift said that his team thought that his action would get stronger over time, so I want to evaluate if that is in any way plausible.
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Post Post #3993 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:40 am

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In post 3967, Iecerint wrote:The chance of my being scum with TierShift is negative infinity. I would never permit a scumfriend to make that claim in a situation where it is unnecessary for him to be lynched.


WHOA WHOA

I don't know where the post was, but you just said scumBone would use WIFOM by saying he would never make bad decisions as scum...and now you are defending yourself by saying you'd never allow a scumbuddy to make a bad claim...
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Post Post #3994 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:42 am

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my best fakeclaim

wisdom knows about it.

I was a cult leader who could recruit cultees during the day. My maximum amount of cultees was one, if I recruited another, the previous one would die. Wisdom was my first cultee and as I recruited ffery, I pretended to day-desperado wisdom, which gave me enough credit to play out the game to a win. I also constructed ffery's fakeclaim later on, here:
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Post Post #3995 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:42 am

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Ack, wrong hyperlink before.

I'm going to go home and maybe go to bed now.
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Post Post #3996 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:44 am

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I had this thought yesterday and I'll let you run with it Wis. When I had claimed on Day 2, Iece later stated he thought I was softclaiming my own track on Eddie/You. Why the fuck as a town tracker would he sit on this thought? Would he as a town tracker believe there was another town tracker?
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Post Post #3997 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:44 am

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In post 3993, T-Bone wrote:
In post 3967, Iecerint wrote:The chance of my being scum with TierShift is negative infinity. I would never permit a scumfriend to make that claim in a situation where it is unnecessary for him to be lynched.

I don't know where the post was, but you just said scumBone would use WIFOM by saying he would never make bad decisions as scum...and now you are defending yourself by saying you'd never allow a scumbuddy to make a bad claim...

:facepalm:

I said that IF you said that, it would be an example of WIFOM. You haven't actually made that argument to my knowledge.

You are correct that that is a WIFOM argument that I just made. As I spelled out earlier, that doesn't mean it can't be evaluated. Making a claim that will get your scumfriend lynched isn't worth it when several players are lynchable and only 2 lynches are needed to win the game.
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Post Post #3998 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:45 am

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In post 3996, T-Bone wrote:I had this thought yesterday and I'll let you run with it Wis. When I had claimed on Day 2, Iece later stated he thought I was softclaiming my own track on Eddie/You. Why the fuck as a town tracker would he sit on this thought? Would he as a town tracker believe there was another town tracker?

1. Why didn't you mention this thought yesterday?

2. I assumed a track because of the availability heuristic.
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Post Post #3999 (ISO) » Sat May 09, 2015 1:46 am

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my very first fakeclaim.
Maybe not as good, but definitely fun and helped me to win the game.

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