You Could Be Anyone III GAME OVER

[Klingoncelt]

Happy Birthday, MonkeyMan!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Klingon

A man is wondering how you are at math?

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon

A man is wondering how you are at math?

I'm dyslexic and easily distracted so...

Why?

[Fresh]

Happy Birthday MM!

Oh and its my birthday too. Bye for the day.

[T S O]

This is not a fucking slip! How would this be a slip? How would RationalMadman substituting "lynched" for "killed" be a scumslip?

You can get passionate, can't you... Rational's on your Scumteam, isn't he? Kthxbye too?

I will admit to not only being scum, but being scum with Rational and Kthx, and listing the final two members of my team, before quoting my scum role PM for proof, if you do one thing for me.

Explain how you think RationalMadman slipped.

[T S O]

Let's go, massive wagon.

Elyse, yet again, refuses to bus... this is really poor scumplay and saddens me.

[Klingoncelt]

Happy Birthday MM!

Oh and its my birthday too. Bye for the day.

Happy Birthday!

[Klingoncelt]

This is not a fucking slip! How would this be a slip? How would RationalMadman substituting "lynched" for "killed" be a scumslip?

You can get passionate, can't you... Rational's on your Scumteam, isn't he? Kthxbye too?

I will admit to not only being scum, but being scum with Rational and Kthx, and listing the final two members of my team, before quoting my scum role PM for proof, if you do one thing for me.

Explain how you think RationalMadman slipped.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6841406

[Fresh]

Damnit I don't want to post again today. But this is getting ridiculous.

@Klingon I want to lynch you for thinking its a slip. Or purchase you a paper copy of mafiawiki so you can study slips for the final exam. But please try again next time.

[Ankamius]

Ank, talk to me about Madman. What'd I miss?

1. I didn't like alivechihiro's 'debates' throughout the game. There were two that bugged me; I can quote them if needed to, but I pointed them out as I saw them too.
2. RMM's entry in day three was horrendous. He basically echoed Elyse's start in day 2 ("IAI was killed to frame me!" vs "AJ was killed to frame Elyse!") directly in line with trying to push AJ as a bad kill for that exact reason (with apparently being an obvious VT being a secondary reason).
3. His pushes this day phase make no sense. He pushed Sky_Paladin without any stated reasons despite saying that he's 100% unreadable when he replaced in. The only thing I can see is that Sky is fluff posting (completely and obvious bullshit), yet I guess that's enough for him to be so confident that Sky is scum. He completely ignored me when I asked him to quantify it and tried to push kthx to bandwagon with him, then never mentioned it again.
4. Eventually just drops everything to push ZZZX the moment he goes V/LA.

[Ankamius]

Anyway, I have a townread on your slot. What are the reads you're willing to share right now?

[Elyse]

Let's go, massive wagon.

Elyse, yet again, refuses to bus... this is really poor scumplay and saddens me.

Calls me scum for hopping on every wagon
Calls me scum for not hopping on a wagon

Ok

[Sky_Paladin]

It's that time of phase again, kids! It's Sky's "Let's see who the wagon hoppers are!" time!

Yaaaay!!

This time we have some flips to consider. I'll also color anybody implicated by MonkeyMan's report orange for the sake of extra incrimination.

For the sake of 'wagon', I consider the point that 4 votes have accrued on a single player as the start of possibly scum-motivated wagoning, and thus the most interesting to review.

So just as a reminder, here's everybody on the Yakko wagon on day 1 when Yakko went blasting off to space:

Klingoncelt, T S O, alivechihiro, MonkeyMan576, Jaqen Hghar, Boonskiies, Elyse, massive, DeltaWave, Sky_Paladin, Kthxbye

It's long so spoilers for your sanity.

Spoiler:

Post 100 - last tally before wagons appeared.

Sky_Paladin(2): Kthx,

hi im Yakko

ZZZX (2):

MonkeyMan576

,

massive

Aunt Jemina

(2): StrangerCoug, PeregrineV
Kthx (2): Ankimius ,

I am Innocent,

inte (1):

Elyse

PeregrineV (1): ZZZX
Ankimius (1):

Sky_Paladin

DeltaWave (1): inte
hi im Yakko (1): Fresh
StrangerCoug (1): Garmr
Jaqen Hghar (1):

T S O

massive (1):

Boonskiies

T S O (1):

alivechihiro

Wagon number 1 - Strange Cougar

StrangerCoug (5):

DeltaWave

, Fresh, Ankamius,

Boonskiies, MonkeyMan576

Boonskiies (3):

Elyse, T S O

, StrangerCoug
Elyse (2):

Aunt Jemina, I Am Innocent

Sky_Paladin (2):

Kthxbye

, PeregrineV
I Am Innocent (1):

massive

alivechihiro (1):

Jaqen Hghar

T S O (1): inte
Klingoncelt (1): ZZZX
ZZZX (1):

Klingoncelt

Jaqen Hghar (1):

alivechihiro

Ankamius (1): Garmr
MonkeyMan576 (1):

hi im Yakko

Wagon number 3 - Boonskies

Boonskiies (6):

Elyse, T S O,

StrangerCoug,

Aunt Jemina

, Ankamius,

MonkeyMan576

alivechihiro (2): Jaqen Hghar, Sky_Paladin
Jaqen Hghar (2):

alivechihiro, DeltaWave

MonkeyMan576 (2):

hi im Yakko,

Boonskiies

I Am Innocent (1):

massive

T S O (1): inte
Klingoncelt (1): ZZZX
ZZZX (1):

Klingoncelt

StrangerCoug (1): Fresh
Ankamius (1): Garmr
Elyse (1):

I Am Innocent

Sky_Paladin (1): PeregrineV

Next tally - wagons hold!

Boonskiies (5):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug,

Aunt Jemina

, Ankamius,

MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (3):

hi im Yakko

,

Sky_Paladin, Boonskiies

Jaqen Hghar (2):

alivechihiro, DeltaWave

Elyse (2):

I Am Innocent

,

T S O

I Am Innocent (1):

massive

alivechihiro (1):

Jaqen Hghar

T S O (1): inte
Klingoncelt (1): ZZZX
ZZZX (1):

Klingoncelt

StrangerCoug (1): Fresh
Ankamius (1): Garmr
Sky_Paladin (1): PeregrineV

Next tally - MonkeyMan wagon appears.

Boonskiies (4):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug,

Aunt Jemina

,

MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (3):

hi im Yakko

,

Sky_Paladin, Boonskiies

hi im Yakko (2):

Klingoncelt, T S O

Aunt Jemina (2):

Kthxbye

, Ankamius
Jaqen Hghar (2):

alivechihiro, DeltaWave

I Am Innocent (1):

massive

alivechihiro (1):

Jaqen Hghar

T S O (1): inte
Klingoncelt (1): ZZZX
StrangerCoug (1): Fresh
Ankamius (1): Garmr
Elyse (1):

I Am Innocent

Sky_Paladin (1): PeregrineV

Next tally - Yakko wagon emerges.

hi im Yakko (5):

Klingoncelt, T S O, alivechihiro, MonkeyMan576, Jaqen Hghar

Boonskiies (3):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug,

Aunt Jemina

MonkeyMan576 (3):

hi im Yakko

,

Sky_Paladin, Boonskiies

I Am Innocent (1):

massive

T S O (1): inte
Klingoncelt (1): ZZZX
StrangerCoug (1): Fresh
Aunt Jemina (1): Ankamius
Jaqen Hghar (1):

Kthxbye

Ankamius (1): Garmr
Elyse (1):

I Am Innocent

Sky_Paladin (1): PeregrineV

Phase end and hammer -

hi im Yakko (11):

Klingoncelt, T S O, alivechihiro, MonkeyMan576, Jaqen Hghar, Boonskiies, Elyse, massive, DeltaWave, Sky_Paladin, Kthxbye

StrangerCoug (4): Fresh, Garmr,

I Am Innocent

, Ankamius
Boonskiies (2): StrangerCoug,

Aunt Jemina

T S O (1): inte
Klingoncelt (1): ZZZX
MonkeyMan576 (1):

hi im Yakko

Sky_Paladin (1): PeregrineV

Great. Day 2.

The first vote count of the day already had a wagon.

Elyse (4):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

MonkeyMan576, Kthxbye

Boonskiies (1):

Elyse

DeltaWave (1): Fresh

Second vote count of the day, things have not really changed yet.

Elyse (4):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

MonkeyMan576, Kthxbye

Boonskiies (2):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug
Kthxbye (1):

Jaqen Hghar

Klingoncelt (1):

massive

DeltaWave (1): Fresh

Third vote count

Elyse (3):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

MonkeyMan576

Kthxbye (2):

Jaqen Hghar, DeltaWave

Boonskiies (2):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug
DeltaWave (2): Fresh,

Kthxbye

Klingoncelt (1):

massive

Jaqen Hghar (1):

alivechihiro

Fourth vote count

Elyse (3):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

MonkeyMan576

DeltaWave (3): Fresh,

Kthxbye, massive

Kthxbye (2):

Jaqen Hghar, DeltaWave

Boonskiies (2):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug
Jaqen Hghar (1):

alivechihiro

The fifth and sixth vote counts are unchanged from the fourth count.

Seventh vote count

Elyse (3):

Aunt Jemina,

Garmr,

MonkeyMan576

Boonskiies (3):

Elyse

, StrangerCoug,

Sky_Paladin

DeltaWave (3): Fresh,

Kthxbye, massive

Kthxbye (2):

Jaqen Hghar, DeltaWave

Jaqen Hghar (1):

alivechihiro

Eight vote count - finally some activity.

T S O (6):

Sky_Paladin, Kthxbye, alivechihiro, Elyse

, Fresh, StrangerCoug
Kthxbye (2):

Jaqen Hghar, DeltaWave

StrangerCoug (2):

T S O, MonkeyMan576

Elyse (2):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr
DeltaWave (1):

massive

Ninth vote count

T S O (7):

Sky_Paladin, Kthxbye, alivechihiro

,

Elyse

, Fresh, StrangerCoug, ZZZX
alivechihiro (3):

Jaqen Hghar

, Ankamius, inte
StrangerCoug (2):

T S O, MonkeyMan576

Elyse (2):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr
Kthxbye (1):

DeltaWave

DeltaWave (1):

massive

Tenth vote count and major wagon change

MonkeyMan576 (4):

Klingoncelt, Sky_Paladin

, Fresh, StrangerCoug
alivechihiro (3):

Jaqen Hghar

, Ankamius, inte
Elyse (3):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

MonkeyMan576

T S O (3):

Elyse

, ZZZX, PeregrineV
PeregrineV (2):

alivechihiro, Boonskiies

StrangerCoug (1):

T S O

Kthxbye (1):

DeltaWave

DeltaWave (1):

massive

Eleventh vote count

Klingoncelt (3):

massive

, inte,

MonkeyMan576

PeregrineV (3):

alivechihiro, Boonskiies, T S O

T S O (3):

Elyse

, ZZZX, PeregrineV
MonkeyMan576 (2):

Sky_Paladin

, StrangerCoug
Kthxbye (2):

DeltaWave, Jaqen Hghar

Elyse (2):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr
alivechihiro (1): Ankamius
DeltaWave (1):

Kthxbye

Ugh twelth vote count.

T S O (4):

Elyse

, ZZZX, PeregrineV, StrangerCoug
Elyse (4):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

Klingoncelt,Jaqen Hghar

Klingoncelt (3):

massive

, inte,

MonkeyMan576

PeregrineV (3):

alivechihiro, Boonskiies, T S O

Kthxbye (1):

DeltaWave

alivechihiro (1): Ankamius
Jaqen Hghar (1): Fresh
MonkeyMan576 (1): Sky_

Paladin

DeltaWave (1):

Kthxbye

Thirteen T__T

Elyse (6):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

Klingoncelt, Kthxbye, MonkeyMan576, Boonskiies

T S O (4):

Elyse

, ZZZX, PeregrineV, StrangerCoug
Kthxbye (3):

DeltaWave

,

RationalMadman, Jaqen Hghar

Klingoncelt (2):

massive

, inte
Jaqen Hghar (1): Fresh
MonkeyMan576 (1):

Sky_Paladin

PeregrineV (1):

T S O

RationalMadman (1): Ankamius

This vote bears special note - we had four orange voters suddenly shift on to Elyse when previously she only had AJ and Garmr voting for her.

The Elyse wagon definitely appeared as a counter wagon to somebody - MonkeyMan or TSO - and these voters (KlingonCelt, Kthxbye, MonkeyMan, Boonskies) are most suspicious for it.

The solid block of orange voting for Kthx makes a Kthx flip more interesting than I remembered.

Second last tally

Elyse (8):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

Klingoncelt, Kthxbye, MonkeyMan576, Boonskiies, Ankamius,Jaqen Hghar

T S O (6):

Elyse

, ZZZX, PeregrineV, StrangerCoug,

Sky_Paladin

, Fresh
Kthxbye (2):

DeltaWave, RationalMadman,

Klingoncelt (2):

massive

, inte
PeregrineV (1):

T S O

WOW LOOK AT ALL THOSE ORANGE NAMES VOTING FOR ELYSE.

Spoiler:

Kthx's terrible no lynch-tally

T S O (9):

Elyse

, ZZZX, PeregrineV, StrangerCoug,

Sky_Paladin

, Fresh,

RationalMadman, massive, Jaqen Hghar

Elyse (7):

Aunt Jemina

, Garmr,

Klingoncelt, Kthxbye, MonkeyMan576, Boonskiies,

Ankamius
Kthxbye (1):

DeltaWave

Klingoncelt (1): inte
PeregrineV (1):

T S O

Hokey, day 3 started with a wagon started by yours truly p/

Kthxbye (4):

Sky_Paladin, Jaqen Hghar,

StrangerCoug, inte
Elyse (3):

MonkeyMan576, Klingoncelt

, Garmr
Klingoncelt (1):

massive

Sky_Paladin (1):

RationalMadman

RationalMadman (1): Ankamius

Second tally

Kthxbye (7):

Sky_Paladin, Jaqen Hghar,

StrangerCoug,

Elyse, Boonskiies, Klingoncelt, MonkeyMan576

Elyse (4): Garmr,

Kthxbye, T S O

, inte
Klingoncelt (1):

massive

ZZZX (1):

RationalMadman

RationalMadman (1): Ankamius

Contrast the string of orange here (Elyse, Boonskies, Klingon, Monkeyman) against the one on Elyse near the end of day 2 (Klingoncelt, Kthxbye, MonkeyMan576, Boonskiies, Ankamius,Jaqen Hghar) - names that appear twice are Boonskies, Klingoncelt, Monkeyman. These people backed opposing wagons from day 2 to day 3.

Kthxbye (4):

Jaqen Hghar, Elyse, Boonskiies, Klingoncelt

Elyse (4): Garmr,

Kthxbye, T S O

, inte
T S O (2):

Sky_Paladin

, StrangerCoug
Klingoncelt (1):

massive

ZZZX (1):

RationalMadman

RationalMadman (1): Ankamius

All orange on Kthx. Less interesting than previous since Elyse is essentially countervoting/not me over me, but still of merit should we get a flip on Kthx some day.

Aaaand the current vote tally.

Elyse (4): Garmr,

Kthxbye

,

T S O

, inte
Kthxbye (3):

Jaqen Hghar, Elyse, Boonskiies

RationalMadman (2): Ankamius,

Klingoncelt

T S O (2):

Sky_Paladin

, StrangerCoug
Klingoncelt (1):

massive

Boonskiies (1):

MonkeyMan576

ZZZX (1): RationalMadman

***

Spoiler:

If we

assume that MonkeyMan's information is valid

, that there are three scum voters amongst 11 players, that means we should be intuitively more suspicious of large chunks of orange names spending a long time in the same place, or moving around as a big chunk. (We also have to be careful of non-orange names doing the same thing, since if there are six or more scum in the game, or MM lied to us, this is where the scum are going to be.)

So reviewing the tallies;
Day 1 -
More than half of the votes on the early StrangeCoug wagon were orange - probably a town slot.
Half of the votes on the early Boonskies wagon were orange - could be a town slot.
ALL of the votes on the Yakko wagon when it first emerged where orange (Klingoncelt, T S O, alivechihiro, MonkeyMan576, Jaqen Hghar), and this slot flipped green - consistent with our hypothesis.
MonkeyMan was the only orange player to vote for all three wagons before the hammer tally.

Day 2 -
There was a lot of posturing before anything really happened - until the eighth tally, nobody was willing to move.
The first couple of votes for TSO were all orange (Sky_Paladin, Kthxbye, alivechihiro, Elyse), and several more non-orange votes appeared soon after. Could be a town slot. (Yes I know I'm here and orange, so I know only 3 of those votes are truly orange, but I'm not conf town so I'm playing with the data for now.)
After the tenth tally, the wagons dissolved, Kthx unvoted, and Alivechihiro/Boon voted Peregrine. Worth reviewing if Peregrine flips green at a later date.
Klingoncelt inexplicably changed vote from TSO to MonkeyMan to Elyse, which is alarming and needs review.

Tally number 13 and 14 bears the main concern; the vast majority and most of the sudden voters on the wagon are orange (Klingoncelt, Kthxbye, MonkeyMan576, Boonskiies, Jaqen Hghar). Contrast with the counter wagon of TSO, who had only two orange names (Elyse, Sky_Paladin, and I know I'm green) in tally 13 compared with Elyse who had six.

We can reasonably conclude more scum on the Elyse wagon than the TSO wagon, which naturally implies town!Elyse and scum!TSO.

Day 3 -
The day started off with a whole bunch of orange names voting for Kthxbye: Sky_Paladin, Jaqen Hghar, Elyse, Boonskiies, Klingoncelt, MonkeyMan576. Probably indicates a town slot despite my misgivings earlier in the day phase. Makes me feel better about lynching TSO first.
When the wagon dismantled, these names stayed on Kthx - (Jaqen Hghar, Elyse, Boonskiies, Klingoncelt).

So then;
ORANGE NAMES THAT LIKE TO VOTE FOR WAGONS OR DO WEIRD THINGS WITH THEIR VOTE:
Klingoncelt <-- specifically bad for voting Elyse and TSO
Alivechihiro
MonkeyMan <-- specifically bad for voting ALL the wagons
Jagen Hghar
Boonskies <-- specifically bad for voting ALL the wagons

Kthxbye <-- but not me over me
Elyse <-- but not me over me

These probably aren't all scum though because we are only using a hypothesis.
1 - We don't know if Monkey Man's information is accurate.
2 - We don't know if scum are hiding their vote patterns specifically to avoid wagon analysis.
3 - We don't know if these orange names are legitimately town

I'd probably go with Klingoncelt/MonkeyMan/Boon/TSO as my main scum picks at the moment, with an extra note I actually want to review what/why Klingoncelt voted the way she did.

This is aside from my actual case on TSO which basically boils down to TSO's refusal to handle questions, continued refusal to outline why he thinks player x should be lynched.
All his comments are "I can get behind a lynch of X" or "Hey let's flashwagon x" or "I am scum and x is scum with me, lynch x" etc etc or "Wow such resistance to wagon x"

His votes are suspicious, and the end of day 2 was suspicious. He should leave the island.

So

TL;DR

MonkeyMan's info basically amounts to 'Elyse/StrangeCougar confirmed town'.
Yeah I'm still down for a TSO lynch, and

you should be too

.

[Sky_Paladin]

The only thing I can see is that Sky is fluff posting (completely and obvious bullshit)

You wound me ;___;

[Ankamius]

?

[Ankamius]

Oh I used the wrong word. Replace completely with complete.

[jasonT1981]

Official Vote Count

Elyse

(4): Garmr, Kthxbye, inte, Boonskiies

massive

(4): T S O, TheWayItEnds, Jaqen Hghar, Klingoncelt

RationalMadman

(2): Ankamius, PeregrineV

T S O

(2): Sky_Paladin, StrangerCoug

Klingoncelt

(1): massive

Boonskiies

(1): MonkeyMan576

ZZZX

(1): RationalMadman

Kthxbye

(1): Elyse

Not Voting

(2): ZZZX, Fresh

V/LA

(1): Kthxbye (14th)

Day 3 Deadline

(expired on 2015-05-16 19:32:29)
with 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

[Elyse]

VOTE: TSO

[T S O]

Let's go, massive wagon.

Elyse, yet again, refuses to bus... this is really poor scumplay and saddens me.

Calls me scum for hopping on every wagon
Calls me scum for not hopping on a wagon

Ok

Oh, Elyse, your misrep is so easily spotted. Do try harder.

I'm calling you scum for voting on every wagon except the ones on scum. You won't vote massive. You won't vote Pere. You've given reasons for neither, as is basically par for course with you these days. You will, however, vote on targets like Boonskiies, who is extremely mislynchable due to his playstyle.

Fucking save it for someone who cares, thanks.

MonkeyMan's info basically amounts to 'Elyse/StrangeCougar confirmed town'.

Okay, thank you for your worthless contribution!

[Garmr]

hey sky can you pass what ever your smoking to me because that seems like some really strong shit.

[Elyse]

Arguing with TSO is like arguing with a doorknob so I'll stop since he clearly can't read or something.

[T S O]

TSO: "You don't justify why you won't vote people, which is just one of the reasons you're scum."
Elyse: "um you can't read"

The banter we have is extraordinary, my dear.

[T S O]

Actually, you should try justifying your scumreads as well as your townreads?

Townreads: massive, PV
Scumreads: Kthx, Boon, TSO

I'd like most of these explained. Ideally, not me, since I really don't care, but massive and PV in particular.

[StrangerCoug]

I think T S O's scumhunting has improved enough to warrant an UNVOTE: , but let me have a look at everyone before I put my vote back.

[Elyse]

I'm not townreading massive. I already explained that I'm neutral on him but the tracker result makes me ok with his lynch. I'd rather lynch a scumread though.

I've played with both town and scum PerV multiple times and I have a good feel for his alignment. He's town.