Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Metal Sonic]

it's not alignment indicative insomuch that ETL is capable of faking that exchange

but you asked for attitude, so~

[Quilford]

You get a B. Not enough talking about attitude outside of the second sentence.

Next question!

Sticking with ETL and Mara, another short discussion about scum play and meta between them spans #49, #50, #52, #57, #58, #59, #66, #70 and finishes with #76.

What do you think of this discussion? Does it contain any hidden ironies?

[Quilford]

promise the next question isn't specifically about ETL and or Mara

[zoraster]

Day 3

Metal Sonic ( 1 )

Mina

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(L - 2 )

EspeciallyTheLies ( 1 )

Patrick

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(L - 2 )

*** Quilford ( 2 ) ***

Metal Sonic

EspeciallyTheLies

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(L - 1 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 1 )

Quilford

Total Votes ( 5 )

Needed to Lynch [ 3 ]

Deadline: May 12th at 20:00 EDT
(expired on 2015-05-12 20:00:00)

[Metal Sonic]

You get a B. Not enough talking about attitude outside of the second sentence.

It's difficult when the sample extracts consist of 4 posts with only 1 or 2 sentences each. But fair enough.


Interesting that ETL was locked onto Mara and pummelling her with weak shots.

#49 suggests that ETL thought that Mara was initially scumreading ETL but later changed her read to Town. Or at least that's what ETL intepreted. "already" suggests a lapse in time and some form of surprise; ETL was probably on alert that mara's tone switched so fast.

#52 Yup, hit the bull's eye. It seems like ETL was going "Mara disengaged so fast? That's suspicious.", which also explains why ETL pursued mara for a bit with regard to that lead. With regard to "checking", I doubt that ETL actually went to check, it was probably a pressure warning to Mara because she suddenly disengaged from ETL which might have been a form of appeasement.

#58 suggests that ETL was suspicious of Mara; nothing much here. She's continuing on her pursuit

#66 is ironic in the fact that ETL similarly disengaged from Mara as how Mara did earlier. The vote change to BBMolla was unexplained and a continuation of RVS which Mara and ETL attempted to avoid in the earlier exchange.

#76 is a weak explanation of thought process; though she highlighted it as such. "Most people don't lie, so people who lie might be more able to slip through!" though weak in general, was a fair reason to posit voting someone during the RVS stage. ETL has already highlighted her own actions as such and thus explained her unvote on mara.



I think the post that sticks out the most throughout the discussion is #66, because both Mara and ETL mutually disengaged. Furthermore ETL went back to RVS onto Molla which felt rather lazy.

[Metal Sonic]

I gotta go, so leave any more questions here

[Metal Sonic]

btw:

Mina, unvote me. Lol.

[Quilford]

ETL was probably on alert that mara's tone switched so fast.

Sorry, what tonal shift is this?

[Metal Sonic]

I'm not sure what you're asking.

#48 suggests a shift in stance towards ETL and possibly considering that she might be town. "Do you think her being kneejerky is indicative of etlscum?" The question of what indicates etlscum suggests doubt and uncertainty in her etl scumread.

[Metal Sonic]

this game has many females

[Quilford]

#66 is ironic in the fact that ETL similarly disengaged from Mara as how Mara did earlier. The vote change to BBMolla was unexplained and a continuation of RVS which Mara and ETL attempted to avoid in the earlier exchange.

Oooooohhhh, nice. I hasn't even thought of that myself ahaha. The irony I was thinking of was that ETL was like 'scum could lie about their methods because most people wouldn't dive through their meta' and then didn't end up going through and checking Mara's meta after all, not even when she came to think Mara was scum later on.

[Quilford]

I'm not sure what you're asking.

#48 suggests a shift in stance towards ETL and possibly considering that she might be town. "Do you think her being kneejerky is indicative of etlscum?" The question of what indicates etlscum suggests doubt and uncertainty in her etl scumread.

But hold on, where is the evidence of the stance she was shifting from? I dont see where Mara was scumreading ETL in the first place.

[Quilford]

I gotta go, so leave any more questions here

I prefer asking them one by one, so I'll just leave the next one.

BBmolla—your slot!—enters the game in #60. What do you make of the reactions to his entrance?

[Metal Sonic]

#66 is ironic in the fact that ETL similarly disengaged from Mara as how Mara did earlier. The vote change to BBMolla was unexplained and a continuation of RVS which Mara and ETL attempted to avoid in the earlier exchange.

Oooooohhhh, nice. I hasn't even thought of that myself ahaha. The irony I was thinking of was that ETL was like 'scum could lie about their methods because most people wouldn't dive through their meta' and then didn't end up going through and checking Mara's meta after all, not even when she came to think Mara was scum later on.

The real irony was in #12

"Let's catch all the scumfucks"

None found


I'm on phone and left my com so I will answer the qs later

[Metal Sonic]

#66 is ironic in the fact that ETL similarly disengaged from Mara as how Mara did earlier. The vote change to BBMolla was unexplained and a continuation of RVS which Mara and ETL attempted to avoid in the earlier exchange.

Oooooohhhh, nice. I hasn't even thought of that myself ahaha. The irony I was thinking of was that ETL was like 'scum could lie about their methods because most people wouldn't dive through their meta' and then didn't end up going through and checking Mara's meta after all, not even when she came to think Mara was scum later on.

And my 4th paragraph addressed your concern with regard to not checking Mara meta

[Quilford]

Well I dont quite buy your fourth paragraph yet because I dont see how Mara suddenly disengaged from ETL at all. I think that will be bound up in your answer to #1911 though.

[Metal Sonic]

Hmm you're right. Mara wasn't scumreading ETL, only her tone indicated suspicion in 30 and 32. But I misread, cause it wasn't as obvious as I thought.

Because of this, it seems that ETL's stance is weak,

She might have commited a scumtell for subconscious projection

I have noted it.

[Metal Sonic]

However, we can tell that ETL thought that way


My paragraph said "49 suggests that ETL thought that..."

So my post is still intact

[Quilford]

Well no, not necessarily.

'"already" suggests a lapse in time and some form of surprise; ETL was probably on alert that mara's tone switched so fast.'

You've agreed that there really actually wasn't a fast tone switch after all, yeah? I would argue that ETL is simply on alert that Mara seems to be town reading her so early, which fits with the ensuing discussion about how Mara always starts with having people at town.

[Metal Sonic]

Yeah.

"Or at the last, that's what ETL intepreted"

Why would ETL be on alert is Mara is townreading her early?

[Quilford]

If ETL's town it could be because she's wary of Mara appeasing her with a town read.

If ETL's scum, it's a good talking point to pursue because as town she would be wary of Mara appeasing her with a town read.

[Quilford]

"Or at the last, that's what ETL intepreted"

Wait no but I don't see any evidence for ETL interpreting that Mara is changing from a scumread on ETL to a town read on her. I am not convinced by that idea.

[Quilford]

Idk, 24 does seem like a fair assumption on her part, because it does seem to be a case of "town unless proven otherwise" type of deal, though the other two are solid points. Do you think her being kneejerky is indicative of etlscum?

If so, why

I think the whole 'you seem to think I'm town Mara' thing from ETL is largely spurred by this post, where Mara questions my vote for ETL.

[Quilford]

BBmolla—your slot!—enters the game in #60. What do you make of the reactions to his entrance?

Just a reminder here's the next question.

The point of these questions isn't to convince you that ETL is scum anyway, so we dont really need to spend too long debating the finer and much harder to prove points of ETL's thought process. What I want is for you to answer as many questions of mine as you can before Mina, Patrick and I have to decide on a lynch.

[Metal Sonic]

I agree with 1920 and 1922

@1921 Could be 1 intepretation. Clearly the bottom line is that ETL was surprised about Mara quick townread. Quickness is certainly a characteristic here, whether it's a tonal shift or a fast townread.

I'm PHONEPOSTING so I cant answer 1923 so easily and detailedly


Yeah I'm fine with answering questions that are not loaded