Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA

[Ricastle]

My role PM says so

Oh, okay. Well I would have known that already

if the mod remembered this was smalltown

Tree Stumps are vanillas without the vote.

[ika]

My role PM says so

Oh, okay. Well I would have known that already

if the mod remembered this was smalltown

Tree Stumps are vanillas without the vote.

They are not alignment indicative, this game is smalltown

The first 5 post explains everything as well as wincons and the game

[Derangement]

@Flubbernugget:

You mean the game

isn't

a bastard one?

VOTE: Flubbernugget for not voting in RVS.

Ika posted in the queue that the game isn't bastard. He specified that there are no role changing mechanics.

I still think tree-stumping is a little bastard, but it might just be non-normal. What is/isn't bastard might be a way to catch and/or restrict fakeclaims, but at the same time the game can't turn into an argument about what is/isn't bastard. There has to be balance.

That being said I think stopping and analyzing a player's claim is a little more productive than an rvs vote

Huh.
After McMenno's claim, my brain completely forgot ika told us that.
That is actually pretty reassuring to hear.

And yeah, I agree with the last bit.
Nothing's stopping us from doing

both

things, though.

I'm having a hard time deciding whether or not I believe McMenno.
We know there's four scum. Even assuming all other players can win with town, we have, at best:

• If McMenno survives, he wins.
  
• If town kills him day one, he's a permanent pro-scum vote, which makes day two a 5vs7 MyLo, and an almost guaranteed win for scum and McMenno.
  
• If town kills him after day one, it's either MyLo, or an instant loss if there was a mislynch already.
  
• If scum kills him, then he
  might
  not win, but now that he's claimed, they probably won't.

I know ika said there wouldn't be a lot of balance, but it sounds

really

odd that a thirteen-person game could be over by night two.
Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but why did you decide to scumhunt, rather than look purposefully scummy, or just afk and cruise-control your way to victory, McMenno?

Oh, right. And then there's the elephant in the room.
What happens if

third party

kills you, McMenno?

[Flubbernugget]

Isn't smalltown where you have everyone's role without their alignment?

[Flubbernugget]

He still wins with 3p lol

[Flubbernugget]

I believe mcmenno for now but I'm interested as to his response to derangement

[Bins]

What the heck is smalltown

Also Treestump isn't bastard, it's just non-normal

[Flubbernugget]

Tree Stumps are vanillas without the vote.

I was under the impression that a treestump was a dead player that could still post. That being said I still can't decide whether or not the dead vote (and more importantly, the change in wincon) is bastard.

[Flubbernugget]

Thinking about it even more I'm now bored with the topic and willing to consider the claim true by its complexity

[elusive]

Really?

Hmmm...if I could just put some makeup on Flubber, a little makeup should do the trick.

[elusive]

Well maybe a lot, there's much to conceal

[Flubbernugget]

Wat

It's what's on the inside that counts

[Derangement]

The change in wincon doesn't bother me, because the player in question knows in advance this might happen, and his new wincon does not go against the old one.

The dead vote could have been... extremely problematic, if he hadn't claimed this early.

On a slightly different topic...

Btw I'm hated

Are you scum?

[Ricastle]

Isn't smalltown where you have everyone's role without their alignment?

That's indeed the case according to the wiki. But oh well. Ika obviously didn't intend it that way so nevermind.

McMenno's claim sounds like the most broken role to ever exist so I highly doubt it's legit, but if it is, shouldn't lynching him be top priority? We don't lose any players and get an alignment flip.

[Wanderer-nl]

Looks like I have to do some studying on non-normal roles.

McMenno's claim: well I went wtf, and since this game is called wtf and we're all supposed to get wtf-roles, I'm inclined to believe it.
I'm actually also curious to know what happens if, let say, a SK killed you.

[ika]

Isn't smalltown where you have everyone's role without their alignment?

That's indeed the case according to the wiki. But oh well. Ika obviously didn't intend it that way so nevermind.

McMenno's claim sounds like the most broken role to ever exist so I highly doubt it's legit, but if it is, shouldn't lynching him be top priority? We don't lose any players and get an alignment flip.

If that is really the case then its my fault for not fully understanding smalltown.

oh well, let me clairfiy then: everyones role (minus the 3rd party scum) have equal chance of being scum i randomed who would be getting scum roles are not alignment indicative

[Derangement]

McMenno's claim: well I went wtf, and since this game is called wtf and we're all supposed to get wtf-roles, I'm inclined to believe it.

When I first looked at my role, I went wtf too.
After some clarification with the mod, it turned out I had misinterpreted something, and it's on par with the power level of what you'd find in a regular game. Pity

everyones role (minus the 3rd party scum) have equal chance of being scum i randomed who would be getting scum roles are not alignment indicative

Oh god. Now I

really

hope Bins got scum randomly assigned to her, or I'm missing something huge about the rest of her role.

[Bins]

Are you scum?

not today

just yogurt

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: mcmenno

His role only makes sense if it was thought up with an alignment in mind

[Derangement]

McMenno's claim sounds like the most broken role to ever exist so I highly doubt it's legit, but if it is, shouldn't lynching him be top priority? We don't lose any players and get an alignment flip.

We are playing a game of, best case scenario, 4 scum vs 9 (town + third party).

Those nine players are our lifeline.
Unless shenanigans occur, two mislynches places us in LyLo, even if it's third-party that gets mislynched.

While I'm not sure I believe McMenno's claim, it's an almost guaranteed loss if he's telling the truth and town hammers.
If he's lying, then I'd like to see more from him, to figure out if it's scum trying to be clever, or something else entirely.

[Derangement]

VOTE: mcmenno

His role only makes sense if it was thought up with an alignment in mind

You might be onto something there.
And we know there's a third-party scum, who is the one person whose alignment was randomly picked.

VOTE: McMenno
Now I

really

want to know what happens if third-party hammers you.

[Bins]

Oh god. Now I really hope Bins got scum randomly assigned to her, or I'm missing something huge about the rest of her role.

?

[Derangement]

EBWOP:

And we know there's a third-party scum, who is the one person whose alignment

wasn't

randomly picked.

[Bins]

VOTE: derangement

maybe this is just a misunderstanding.

I don't necessary want to deal with McMenno just yet. halts the start of the entire game.

[Derangement]

Oh god. Now I really hope Bins got scum randomly assigned to her, or I'm missing something huge about the rest of her role.

?

A weak non-scum player means we're probably screwed.