New York 180 (Endgame)

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That really doesn't answer my question.

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The only reason I see for speculating that tso is a bullet proof serial killer is if you took took a shot at him and missed.

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VOTE: oz

because I have good reason to think he tried to kill tso and missed.

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That's L2.

if tso is on board we are L1

what do you think good morning?

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Not claiming anything. I just don't think there is reason to speculate a Bp SK unless you've taken a shot at someone and missed.

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Maybe I took a random shot because this is my first time being the vig, and I got both trigger-happy

and

lucky. Speculation as to why I took my shot is so fucking stupid, it's numbing.

Shooting randomly would be incredibly anti-Town, and thus a Town Vig would and should abstain from doing so.

Motivation is everything in this game. Speculation as to whether someone is telling the truth is also important.

Specially where he is a 3 shot.

And wouldn't house have taken the shot.

It doesn't ring true. Course, neither did that cop claim so long ago

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Though you said you'd self hammer.

do it. We are calling your bluff. Lay down your cards

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You have to be town to win a town game.

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Though you said you'd self hammer.

do it. We are calling your bluff. Lay down your cards

I want to be told by someone I actually trust, and not just TSO's pet dog.

in other words, you had no intention of doing it. It was all a show to get us to back down.

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Though you said you'd self hammer.

do it. We are calling your bluff. Lay down your cards

I want to be told by someone I actually trust, and not just TSO's pet dog.

in other words, you had no intention of doing it. It was all a show to get us to back down.

In other words, you're fucking brainwashed and I want to hear from an actually competent player, thanks.

you may have replaced house but you aren't as good with the bs.

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Was it really so difficult to keep your word and prove yourself

if oz is lying we have another scum.

if by some way he is telling the truth and tso is a serial killer he is dead.

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Jesus.
Are you actually town? :/

TSO was as correct as I was. I stand by what I said about TSO. I was not wrong. You're all playing to the hands of the Mass Murd-I mean, SK.

I'll let you take that message at face value.

how can he be as correct as you were?

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New it.

and if tso is SK then we will kill him.

how many of your buddies are left oz?

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And how do you know he is a SK?

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But then she turned and said she fake claimed for you.

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If we knew how many of your buddies are left we could start hunting a SK.

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Btw remind me to give some kudos to house at the end of this game for that neighbor crumb. Had me thinking he was town a while.

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I'm thinking we have at least one more scum here.

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If we had more than two lynching oz would be more difficult

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I do want the truth. And I'll find it in what you say and don't say

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Either tso is a vig or a SK. I am almost 100% certain there is no third shooter.

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This has been a bette game despite the craziness. Or maybe because of it.

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We lynched oz who is scum.

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Ok wth?

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We might. Let's not get too excited yet.

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Townreading GC cheetory and gm. I can be persuaded with the others. Marquis is looking particularly scummy in light of his celebration.

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VOTE: kitz

house busses his scum buddies like crazy when he is scum. I can see his sarcastic comments being truthful

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L1 btw

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I'm good for lynching kits or marquis today

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Shinobi didn't vote.

I like good mornings invite. Marquises looked like sheeping.

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Unvote rather. I don't think kits and marquis are both scum

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So night one is explained. What about the no kill night?

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oh ok

boon claimed mainly doc, but possibility of other PRs day 1

so pisskop had reason to roleblock boon, and tso had reason to kill boon

so piss died because he also visited boon?? i think

wow this solves things a lot more nicely

also this role is pretty far removed from normal role interactions so ugh tso got by only on the double kill there

This just leaves one question:
How did mafia know there was a 3p role in the setup?

did they? Or did they just suspect it so we would take out tso?

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I fucking solved N1.

which increases your odds of being scum since they already knew the night actions.

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If anyone can see it why do you feel the need to claim To be the one who solved it?

do you want us townreading you for solving it or something?

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That means tso took a shot at all of them, where was the scum shot?

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Yeah, I'm certain it's GM now because of that logic actually makes a lot of sense.
If one more scum flips and this game continues, I'm at a complete blank at who the next one could be.

what logic? Seeing rambling. Not much logic to it.

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I suppose the theory for me being scum is I was bussing my partners like crazy when I could have easily tried to lynch tso?

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What's the case on shinobi? I was scum reading him early on but then I started town reading him. Big time don't remember why cause this game has gone for so long.

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Not sure you are doing much but that doesn't make you scum

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I'm leaning kitz too. Which is why I'm voting for her.

Here is what I'm thinking

Gc and gm are town to me.

Shinobi and cheetory are prob town.

Leaves marques and kitz for me. I might go into the prob town if I have to since I'm not 100% sure

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Lynch kitz. At least that's my plan .

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You've not been using anything that remotely resembles logic lately. And that outburst we completely emotional, much lime ozgins before we lynched him

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I'd hardly say you lead the lynch but you make a good point. I'll rethink it.

unvote

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I'm thinking we need everyone to give their reads at this point. We just pick the person we find the most scummiest as a group.

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Ika I invited at some point

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unvote

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What reason is there to think I'm scum?

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@marquis

cheetory said you were townreading him and did an about face to scum reading him. Would you characterize this as accurate?

I haven't noticed you respond to the claim. Why did you start scum reading cheetory and when?

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@cheetory

Sorry for getting it backwards. I've been questioning marquis for my own reasons. I'm also second guessing myself for my own reasons. I will likely.vote for marquis if I see no better options.

The only ones I refuse to consider voting for are gc and gm at this point

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Ozgin was a neighbor with gc. Two scum in a neighborhood of two makes no sense. It serves no purpose. He is definitely town firm as far as I'm confirmed

I suspect we have one scum left. Gm is a neighizor. I'm thinking a town one. I suppose she could be scum neighborhood. But I would like to give gm a chance to prove that ability. If gm is the last scum, no one can be neighborized when a no occurs. Now it's quite possible gm tried to neighborize tso, but I'd like to give gm at least one more night to provoke not being scum before I consider a lynch.

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Shin, why didn't you take a side in the TSO/Ozgin debate?

Let me rephrase:

why didn't you do act during the TSO/Ozgin debate?

it's a good question..

sorry I'm not that talkative. Feeling sick and starting to lose interest in everything that isn't sleep.

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Been sick. Sorry I'll vote when my head is little more clearer and I can function

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Still feeling like crap guys.

looks like we have a kitz v gm thing going on. Not sure how I feel about it.

why did you vote for gm kitz? Cause it looks very omgusish

I'll vote when my head clears and I feel I can be reasonable.

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Gm is at L1.

my brains still mostly fried but that much is obvious

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We're you worried someone would hammer or did you change your mind on gm?

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Uh, thoughts, so I put some effort into this game.

I personally think Shin is the best vote. He just sat on the sidelines in the TSO/Oz debate, which was probably the safest place for scum. Nobody appears to agree with this, so whatev.

I think GM is the most town person playing. I liked the PT he shared with SW. Plus I don't think a scum-neighborizer picked the town who was already neighbored to a scum neighbor. I'm therefore willing to sheep GM because he has a wider grasp on the game than I do.

I was the counterwagon to scum on day 5.

How the fuck is my "sidelines" on day 6, which I completely explained, scummy?

being a counter wagon doesn't make you town. Last scum game I played we deliberately set up a scum v scum wagon to give one of then town cred when they flipped. You may have missed that since we did get you flashlynched the day before.

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I'm finally getting over my cold. So sorry I haven't been very useful this past week.

I'm still pretty much leaning to marquis or kilz. But other than GC I'm not a all certain of my reads. Getting pretty paranoid about it.

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Good question. Are you scum or town?

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He is prob town but I don't think it's as firm as he does.

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VOTE: kitz

I'm not sure how far from the deadline we are. But I know kits play is bothering me.

I think id rather lynch marquis today but I don't see us finding the votes for that. Ive had scummy vibe on him all game and nothing has really changed.

if we have to have a compromise vote I can do it but of really prefer with lynch one of them.

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unvote

dont need a hammer yet.

I've thought about that too kitz. The lack of neighborizing has me concerned.

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That's a poor explanation for why it hasn't been happening lately.

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I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

and yet you responded. If you are going to respond to it anyway you could put in an effort. You're not exactly one on my scum list but you aren't helping yourself in my eyes.

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Not seeing another lynch happening at this point. We have less than 16 hrs left.

VOTE: kitz

Been fun playing with you kitz

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L1 btw

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We need a lynch. I'm willing to hammer gm if someone else doesn't.

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I'm saying that at 23 mins to the deadline.

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Wasn't sure if the rest of you were around. Looks like shinobi stepped in. Let's see if we won.

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I don't doubt she is neighborizor. I just don't know.if she is town or scum.

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I suspect we may have one lingering.

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I knew cheerier was scum the second gm was lynched. His vote there made no sense. But the thread locked as of was trying to post and i was night killed. So I couldn't press it. I wasn't suspicious till then.

The fact that no was killed over gc should have had people questioning. Traitor wasn't on my mind though

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How did you out yourself as a traitor?

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Surprised you didn't out cheery and get him killed to get your killing power. I don't think anyone would have doubted you were town though some may have asked how you got oz to confess

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Still mad at myself for not realizing the no kill was a mafia traitor recruitment

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Why didn't tso kill gm that night though?

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Actually, had I gotten back before the lynch in was going to unvote you Viking. Abrs claim was so obviously fake. It pissed me off that wake hammered before I had a chance to see abrs claim