In post 1323, Oversoul wrote:In post 1322, Rune wrote:od this game is going nowhere. If I promise to be nice can we work together and make a collective town decision?
Was this addressed to me?
In post 1324, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 1318, Oversoul wrote:If Jake gets to L-1 I will hammer him regardless of claim.
what was the point of this? we know you are scum reading me, nobody gives a shit
In post 1325, Rune wrote:In post 1323, Oversoul wrote:In post 1322, Rune wrote:od this game is going nowhere. If I promise to be nice can we work together and make a collective town decision?
Was this addressed to me?
Addressed to anybody willing to listen. I'm really sick of the way this game is going.
In post 1326, Oversoul wrote:In post 1324, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 1318, Oversoul wrote:If Jake gets to L-1 I will hammer him regardless of claim.
what was the point of this? we know you are scum reading me, nobody gives a shit
there's chum in the water
In post 1328, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 1326, Oversoul wrote:In post 1324, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 1318, Oversoul wrote:If Jake gets to L-1 I will hammer him regardless of claim.
what was the point of this? we know you are scum reading me, nobody gives a shit
there's chum in the water
yet i'm the one trying to lynch scum...
In post 1329, Nikanor wrote:Vote Count 3.03
Elyse (3)- Palkia, Oversoul, Hostile Intent
Hostile Intent (3)- Rune, Elyse, NotAnAxehole
Oversoul (1)- TheReverend
Not Voting (2)- Saint, Jake from State Farm
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-29 12:27:21).
In post 1333, Rune wrote:
Can we agree that it is almost certain that the counterwagon to Havoc was scum driven? I'd point out that said wagon is exactly the wagon on Elyse right now. If you disagree, please do your best to explain it, because this is obviously a sore point for me.Yes, I think we can agree on that. I don't think both scum were on the PB counter wagon though.
What do you think about HI townreading both you and Palkia given my above statement?I think she could be scum. I think she might be trying to stall a claim. I wish Palkia would stop being a lurker and definitively say he has a guilty on Elyse, otherwise I will lynch HI.
Right now, who would you be willing to lynch? What information you would get from those flips?I am willing to lynch Elyse, Jake, HI, Palkia. My preferences may change. Elyse would give us information on Palkia. Palkia would also give us some associative tells. HI + Jake because I really dislike their play so far, not entirely sure what can be gleamed from HI given her iso. Jake probably would give us some associative tells too.
Do you agree we are probably look at a 10-3 setup (I don't think Havoc was operating independently)? In this case, which pairs do you think are the remainder of the team with Havoc?Yes. The norm on MS is for games to be 10:3. I dunno who the pairs are yet. Need more information. I have a couple of speculations maybe, but I don't want to reveal them just yet.
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who noticed that Palkia didn't regret the lynch of PB (who flipped town) but immediately posted 'regret' on the hammer of Havoc (who then flipped scum). I didn't mention this earlier but I thought it was odd.Yes, I saw this. Yes, I thought this was odd too.
Please unvote so we don't lynch Elyse right now.
In post 1331, Jake from State Farm wrote:oh yeah I unvoted to give elyse time to talk so the day didn't end so soon.
Vote: elyse
In post 1287, Jake from State Farm wrote:we have a guilty so we lynch the guilty right? I mean that's how I always play
In post 1336, Oversoul wrote:In post 1333, Rune wrote:
1. Can we agree that it is almost certain that the counterwagon to Havoc was scum driven? I'd point out that said wagon is exactly the wagon on Elyse right now. If you disagree, please do your best to explain it, because this is obviously a sore point for me.Yes, I think we can agree on that. I don't think both scum were on the PB counter wagon though.
So we agree, that assuming you are town, either Hostile or Palkia are scum? I agree it is probable that there is one scum on the counter wagon.
2. What do you think about HI townreading both you and Palkia given my above statement?I think she could be scum. I think she might be trying to stall a claim. I wish Palkia would stop being a lurker and definitively say he has a guilty on Elyse, otherwise I will lynch HI.
Palkia being a lurker is a huge problem and I really don't trust him enough to base my actions at this point on his posts. Until that changes, I believe we have enough information available to the whole town to do a good job at hunting scum independently of Palkia.
3. Right now, who would you be willing to lynch? What information you would get from those flips?I am willing to lynch Elyse, Jake, HI, Palkia. My preferences may change. Elyse would give us information on Palkia. Palkia would also give us some associative tells. HI + Jake because I really dislike their play so far, not entirely sure what can be gleamed from HI given her iso. Jake probably would give us some associative tells too.
Jake's play today has been really subpar. I understand the town motivation for this lynch. However, I really don't think it is optimal, although I haven't ISO'd him and no immediate associatives come to mind except weak pushes on Palkia. Either way, I would rank Jake as the lowest priority of the four you mentioned. My problem with GS Guilty lynch is that I don't trust Palkia, and I don't necessarily trust Elyse's VT claim. I don't think that a flip on either of these players gives DEFINITIVE information, at least from my perspective. I think we have options which will give definitive information. For example, I am quite confident that you (oversoul) and HI are opposite alignments.
Do you agree we are probably look at a 10-3 setup (I don't think Havoc was operating independently)? In this case, which pairs do you think are the remainder of the team with Havoc?Yes. The norm on MS is for games to be 10:3. I dunno who the pairs are yet. Need more information. I have a couple of speculations maybe, but I don't want to reveal them just yet.
That is fair. When you feel like bringing up possibilities, let me know. I think either today or D4 we are ready to put forward more information, such as this.
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who noticed that Palkia didn't regret the lynch of PB (who flipped town) but immediately posted 'regret' on the hammer of Havoc (who then flipped scum). I didn't mention this earlier but I thought it was odd.Yes, I saw this. Yes, I thought this was odd too.
Another reason I have a problem basing my actions off something Palkia thinks is a good idea.
Please unvote so we don't lynch Elyse right now.
In post 1338, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 1287, Jake from State Farm wrote:we have a guilty so we lynch the guilty right? I mean that's how I always play
In post 1342, Jake from State Farm wrote:it does worry me some that it is palkia claiming a guilty but it takes a really ballsy scum player to hammer his buddy and then fake claim a PR with a guilty. I say ballsy but actually it would be really stupid because if he and elyse are scum he'd be banking on town cred til the end of the game which would almost never last that long. The other possibility is he is town trolling which I realize is still a possibility, I really don't want to be in a situation where town had the chance to lynch scum and ended up lynching town.
In post 1339, Rune wrote:In post 1336, Oversoul wrote:In post 1333, Rune wrote:
1. Can we agree that it is almost certain that the counterwagon to Havoc was scum driven? I'd point out that said wagon is exactly the wagon on Elyse right now. If you disagree, please do your best to explain it, because this is obviously a sore point for me.Yes, I think we can agree on that. I don't think both scum were on the PB counter wagon though.
So we agree, that assuming you are town, either Hostile or Palkia are scum? I agree it is probable that there is one scum on the counter wagon.
Yes. I think that either Hostile or Palkia are scum. This is going into my pairings that I don't want to reveal though.
2. What do you think about HI townreading both you and Palkia given my above statement?I think she could be scum. I think she might be trying to stall a claim. I wish Palkia would stop being a lurker and definitively say he has a guilty on Elyse, otherwise I will lynch HI.
Palkia being a lurker is a huge problem and I really don't trust him enough to base my actions at this point on his posts. Until that changes, I believe we have enough information available to the whole town to do a good job at hunting scum independently of Palkia.
I agree. I want him to confirm or deny his guilty and then proceed to lynch based on that information. I agree we probably information outside of Palkia to come to a consensus. I'm not entirely sure where that consensus should be. I am thinking within {Jake, Rev, Saint}.
3. Right now, who would you be willing to lynch? What information you would get from those flips?I am willing to lynch Elyse, Jake, HI, Palkia. My preferences may change. Elyse would give us information on Palkia. Palkia would also give us some associative tells. HI + Jake because I really dislike their play so far, not entirely sure what can be gleamed from HI given her iso. Jake probably would give us some associative tells too.
Jake's play today has been really subpar. I understand the town motivation for this lynch. However, I really don't think it is optimal, although I haven't ISO'd him and no immediate associatives come to mind except weak pushes on Palkia. Either way, I would rank Jake as the lowest priority of the four you mentioned. My problem with GS Guilty lynch is that I don't trust Palkia, and I don't necessarily trust Elyse's VT claim. I don't think that a flip on either of these players gives DEFINITIVE information, at least from my perspective. I think we have options which will give definitive information. For example, I am quite confident that you (oversoul) and HI are opposite alignments.
You think Elyse is lying about her claim? I don't.
I think an Elyse townflip definitively points to a Palkia-scum.
Do you agree we are probably look at a 10-3 setup (I don't think Havoc was operating independently)? In this case, which pairs do you think are the remainder of the team with Havoc?Yes. The norm on MS is for games to be 10:3. I dunno who the pairs are yet. Need more information. I have a couple of speculations maybe, but I don't want to reveal them just yet.
That is fair. When you feel like bringing up possibilities, let me know. I think either today or D4 we are ready to put forward more information, such as this.
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who noticed that Palkia didn't regret the lynch of PB (who flipped town) but immediately posted 'regret' on the hammer of Havoc (who then flipped scum). I didn't mention this earlier but I thought it was odd.Yes, I saw this. Yes, I thought this was odd too.
Another reason I have a problem basing my actions off something Palkia thinks is a good idea.
It would be worse play to lynch Palkia first rather than Elyse, if Palkia adheres to his GS guilty.
Please unvote so we don't lynch Elyse right now.
In post 1347, Rune wrote:1. 3. and 5. - I don't recommend lynching Palkia at all today. I just also don't recommend lynching Elyse. If we agree HI or Palkia is scum, then HI flip from your perspective gives solid info about Palkia and Elyse (and could potentially make your claim more believable too), and definitively reveals at least one scum. Since this situation doesn't rely on Palkia providing information, and since the benefits of the flip are at least as good, why do you disagree that this is the optimal lynch