Micro 474: Over the Garden Wall Mafia (GAME OVER)

Metal Sonic · Post Post #350 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:01 am

In post 342, pieguyn wrote:there are some exceptions to this but you can usually tell based on the timestamps

This is ridiculous, they're both americans.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #351 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:07 am

Pieguy, shift your vote to Doduo, please. I promise I'll be more productive than them, even if both of us are town. Pinky promise. With a cherry on top.

Doduo · Post Post #352 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:11 am

In post 348, Metal Sonic wrote:Because I thought that he was lying. I was duly corrected when I figured out which game he was referring to, and even though town-marquis has every right to fear my scumgame, I don't see them approaching from a town mindset. They aren't trying to get a read on me or interact with me, instead they are trolling on a level even greater than I am (I'm not even trolling, or at least I don't consider myself to be doing so at this stage). If you do a quick ISO on them, you can't see any of their attempt to figure out the game, no townreads, only 1 scumread "MS is scum" -- why? Not explained.

Ha ha ha

We will be here tonight

Metal Sonic · Post Post #353 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:13 am

Pieguy, go to Doduo's ISO and search for any read that is not MS, please.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #354 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:20 am

Everybody in the game has given a read on at least 2 or more players...

except Doduo.

That's definitely not from a town mindset. No attempts to solve the game at all. And you think I'm scum over him? Lol!

Lia · Post Post #355 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:14 am

In post 340, pieguyn wrote:this seemed to imply you were open to the possibility of Gaiden being scum. I'm asking how this makes sense when you had just said he was "conftown" - it felt more like you were just agreeing for the sake of it as opposed to actually believing it

I don't think it implied that. It looked like he was agreeing with Alchemist that Gaiden was posting more but not that it meant he was scum.

In post 342, pieguyn wrote:marquis uses all lowercase (except for ALLCAPS)
there are some exceptions to this but you can usually tell based on the timestamps

Marquis was using some capitalization in the last game we were both in. But I think I've worked it out now.

In post 349, Metal Sonic wrote:Is this a fact? Because I disagree, I've seen him use uppercase more often, and when he goes supreme modding mode, his grammar is perfect. I have the belief that notty is the one using nocaps. They'd normally sign with squawk and quack, but I don't know why they aren't doing that here.

Tinfoil theory says that they are trying to obfuscate their posts from whichever heads.

This is the impression I was getting too.

Lia · Post Post #356 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 10:33 am

MS is looking more town from 348. I'm still not sure about Pie. No read on Gaiden or AD and my other reads haven't changed.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #357 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 1:37 pm

In post 312, Alchemist21 wrote:I think you could be scum because it looks like you're trying to discredit the player you said you didn't want to be Town in this game. You've stated that you feel Pie would be a threat to your scum game to the point that you would recruit him just so he wouldn't be Town. I can see you as scum wanting to try to shut him down early as scum if you did not or could not recruit him.

I don't understand how I'm discrediting him.
I'm not saying that pie's scummy, or that pie isn't town.
I'm not calling her a bad player.
I'm not saying that her pushes this game don't make sense or are bad (I have followed her on her push for the entire game).

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to call her posts fantastic and super good if you're the one who she is pushing because, if you were town, the direction she would be pushing the game is completely wrong.

I also don't understand how you could possibly make this push while pie is making the exact same argument than I am.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #358 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 1:38 pm

In post 318, Honey bee wrote:can nacho selfhammer

yep

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #359 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 1:40 pm

In post 335, Alchemist21 wrote:How often has MS seen you make long posts as Town? If that was the only time I could see him forgetting you could do that.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #360 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 1:52 pm

I don't like the way Alchemist is handling the wagon (he's been the main/only pusher of a counterwagon all day, has defended MS multiple points, still is vocal about being willing to vote there eventually) . I don't like his suspicion on me. I don't like the push on Gaiden.

If Alchemist isn't scumpartner, I think Doduo would also be a decent possibility. Pushing MS and doing absolutely nothing else and not being particularly interested in forming/pushing a case seems very much like scumbuddy interactions.

I do wonder why the hell the day continues to be stalled out, though. In the past (three?) days when I last called for a hammer, absolutely nothing even mildly interesting has happened.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #361 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:25 pm

Because I am town and people won't vote doduo maybe?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #362 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:32 pm

Nacho... Bussing is SO strongly discouraged in a micro with 2 scums.

I can't believe you even came up with the idea that both of us are scum (together?! Seriously?!)

Alchemist21 · Post Post #363 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:42 pm

In post 357, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 312, Alchemist21 wrote:I think you could be scum because it looks like you're trying to discredit the player you said you didn't want to be Town in this game. You've stated that you feel Pie would be a threat to your scum game to the point that you would recruit him just so he wouldn't be Town. I can see you as scum wanting to try to shut him down early as scum if you did not or could not recruit him.

I don't understand how I'm discrediting him.
I'm not saying that pie's scummy, or that pie isn't town.
I'm not calling her a bad player.
I'm not saying that her pushes this game don't make sense or are bad (I have followed her on her push for the entire game).

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to call her posts fantastic and super good if you're the one who she is pushing because, if you were town, the direction she would be pushing the game is completely wrong.

I also don't understand how you could possibly make this push while pie is making the exact same argument than I am.

You called Pie's posts garbage. That's a discredit. Even if the conclusion is wrong, you can still appreciate the quality of a player's posts because being wrong =/= being mafia and being right =/= being Town. In open 591, I correctly started scumreading 2 players (1 SK, 1 Mafia) because even though they expressed Townreads on me, the Townreads didn't quite make sense. Even if someone's read is wrong, you can appreciate the fleshed out thought processs behind them acquiring their reads.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #364 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:45 pm

I think that Nacho even considering that Alchey is scum, let alone my scum partner, is pretty freaking disingenuous and I wouldn't be really shocked if he was the scum recruit.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #365 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:45 pm

tl;dr

357 and 360 are scummy as fuck and enough to point strong doubt

Metal Sonic · Post Post #366 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:46 pm

Even worse is the idea that me and Doduo are scum together... WTF?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #367 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:47 pm

actually no, the alchey read is worse.

Kagami · Post Post #368 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:56 pm

Official Vote Count

Metal Sonic

(3): ActionDan, pieguyn, Doduo

Doduo

(2): Metal Sonic, Lia

Lia

(1): Honey bee

Alchemist21

(1): Nachomamma8

Nachomamma8

(1): Alchemist21

Not Voting

(1):

SXTLHGaiden

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-05-19 07:01:02)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #369 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 2:59 pm

In post 363, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 357, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 312, Alchemist21 wrote:I think you could be scum because it looks like you're trying to discredit the player you said you didn't want to be Town in this game. You've stated that you feel Pie would be a threat to your scum game to the point that you would recruit him just so he wouldn't be Town. I can see you as scum wanting to try to shut him down early as scum if you did not or could not recruit him.

I don't understand how I'm discrediting him.
I'm not saying that pie's scummy, or that pie isn't town.
I'm not calling her a bad player.
I'm not saying that her pushes this game don't make sense or are bad (I have followed her on her push for the entire game).

I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to call her posts fantastic and super good if you're the one who she is pushing because, if you were town, the direction she would be pushing the game is completely wrong.

I also don't understand how you could possibly make this push while pie is making the exact same argument than I am.

You called Pie's posts garbage. That's a discredit. Even if the conclusion is wrong, you can still appreciate the quality of a player's posts because being wrong =/= being mafia and being right =/= being Town. In open 591, I correctly started scumreading 2 players (1 SK, 1 Mafia) because even though they expressed Townreads on me, the Townreads didn't quite make sense. Even if someone's read is wrong, you can appreciate the fleshed out thought processs behind them acquiring their reads.

garbage was strong language meaning pushing the game in a direction that is incorrect

Metal Sonic · Post Post #370 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 3:00 pm

Alchemist, Honey bee and gaiden, I would appreciate it if you guys switched over to Doduo, thanks.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #371 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 3:00 pm

I don't think pieguys's posts are garbage. I think that doduo' posts are garbage.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #372 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 3:02 pm

In post 364, Metal Sonic wrote:I think that Nacho even considering that Alchey is scum, let alone my scum partner, is pretty freaking disingenuous and I wouldn't be really shocked if he was the scum recruit.

What has alchemist done that's been unfakeable?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #373 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 3:03 pm

What has ANYONE done that's been unfakeable?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #374 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 3:04 pm

In post 362, Metal Sonic wrote:Nacho... Bussing is SO strongly discouraged in a micro with 2 scums.

I can't believe you even came up with the idea that both of us are scum (together?! Seriously?!)

I've bussed day 1 and coasted in plenty of micro games