New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:26 pm

After I lost to Boon last time I spent a ridiculous amount of time reading over his meta.

This is his scumgame, no doubt, and he's the kind of player who would make a ballsy play like claiming masons as scum.

Plus, Dragon's basically claiming scum every other post.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:26 pm

Why do I even play mafia.

Titus · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:27 pm

@RC, The asskissing feature is not included on this version of Titus. The humility and humor mods are in the process of being installed, so no asskissing from me.

Dudette, it has been 5 seconds. Hell not even I respond that fast.

SilverWolf · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:27 pm

In post 875, RadiantCowbells wrote:Because it's not fake.

I'm one shot dayvig and I shot Dragon.

Still pretty damn sure he's scum.

Is this for real?

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:27 pm

Honestly, I just wanted to pull off a fake vig claim and see if I could make it convincing.

You can all go on with your lives.

Titus · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:27 pm

In post 901, Cheetory6 wrote:Why do I even play mafia.

Drinking game. Anytime someone does something stupid. Drink.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:27 pm

WOW.
IM SURPRISED.
WHO ELSE IS.
LOLELELELELE.

Varsoon · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:28 pm

I'm not acting like it went away.
From my point of view, a Citizen claim very likely means one of two things, Titus;
He actually is a Citizen. In that case we should not lynch him.
He is scum who read the OP to check what town's flavor was.

I've come to doubt the second. What actually pinged to me, though...
Titus, does your role PM mention the word 'Citizen' in any capacity?
You don't have to answer this.
I am a town PR. My role PM actually doesn't say anything about Citizens.
I PM'd Wake about it, and he verified that Citizen refers explicitly to Vanilla Town roles and not Town PRs.
So I was aware of the disparity between the two, but you also keyed into the same thing, which had me thinking
You being keen on the disparity between the two is likely an indicator that you don't have a Citizen role PM.
However, pushing someone who is a claimed citizen with that knowledge struck me as a bit off-base;
My point was that Ozgin, as scum, would only have the OP as a resource for flavor without explicit knowledge that 'Citizen' entailed only VT meaning
Your point was that Ozgin was legitimately making a Citizen/VT claim as scum with knowledge of what 'Citizen' entailed.
Like, I knew that Citizen was likely a VT thing because I have a town role PM that doesn't mention it, but you seem to know Citizen means VT solely through the OP post, which is the only resource scum would have to know that.
So it felt like you were scum who did not know town PRs don't mention Citizen, or at least, that was what I was considering.
Obviously, you could also just be a town PR, but the nature of your focus on the Citizen claim did not seem that way to me.
Your -other- points in post 415 are very valid, although I think that what I bring up in 669 in a just refutation of what you're seeing as being scummy.

Sorry if I kinda outed you here as PR, if you're not scum. :/
While we're getting into that realm, I actually have a way of confirming if Ozgin is actually a Citizen should we both survive overnight. :3

P-EDIT:
Woah, jeeze, how about we don't risk getting ruined by what's likely a scum!gambit and lynch dragons and, woah, if dragons flips scum we're gravy. If he flips best friend then that clears Boonskies, right? I'll take either of those, really.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:29 pm

In post 902, Titus wrote:@RC, The asskissing feature is not included on this version of Titus. The humility and humor mods are in the process of being installed, so no asskissing from me.

Dudette, it has been 5 seconds. Hell not even I respond that fast.

Sorry, was just trying to give the impression that I was the kind of person who would dayvig masons.

That required some certain amount of overconfidence.

I have some thoughts about reactions that I'm going to relay promptly.

SilverWolf · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:29 pm

In post 905, Titus wrote:
In post 901, Cheetory6 wrote:Why do I even play mafia.

Drinking game. Anytime someone does something stupid. Drink.

Good thing that wasn't a rule in 180 or I would of gotten liver poisoning or something.....................

Titus · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:31 pm

In post 904, RadiantCowbells wrote:Honestly, I just wanted to pull off a fake vig claim and see if I could make it convincing.

You can all go on with your lives.

I would actually compromise to lynch you.

@Varsoon, That looks like a shitton of doublespeak.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:31 pm

Oo fun.
We're referencing 1984 now?
This game is putting rats in my eyes atm.
I should probably stop reading for tonight.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:33 pm

Also, if Boon isn't just lolgambiting which I wouldn't be surprised by at all, then they should be left alive.
21 person game.
A role will fuck over a pair of gambiting scum.
If they're town scum will inevitably off them.

Titus · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:33 pm

@Varsoon,
'Citizen' will be used in place of 'Vanilla Townie.'

That's at least one way I knew Citizen meant VT. Mod post one. Second sc2mafia uses citizen as VT. When.I see citizen, I think VT.

Simple.

Titus · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:34 pm

In post 912, Cheetory6 wrote:Also, if Boon isn't just lolgambiting which I wouldn't be surprised by at all, then they should be left alive.
21 person game.
A role will fuck over a pair of gambiting scum.
If they're town scum will inevitably off them.

I now officially wish to be nightkilled.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:36 pm

Speaking of leaving boon and dragon alive.
VOTE: prolapsedbrain
Let's prolapse his brain guys.

SilverWolf · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:39 pm

So, like I'm just going to save this post and recycle it cuz I have a feeling I'll be needing it a few times.

In post 708, SilverWolf wrote:What the ever loving fuck did I just read?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's not copyrighted. You guys can steal it any time you want.

You're welcome.

Varsoon · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:40 pm

@Titus: Lemme try to simplify it?
I can confirm if Ozgin is lying with an action of mine. Therefore I don't see the point of being on the Ozgin wagon right now.
What bothered me in regards to how you handled Ozgin was due to how you seemed to be informed of the Citizen = VT thing.
As a town PR, I was aware of the difference without having to read the OP post.
If you aren't a Citizen or a Town PR, you would not be aware of that difference unless you read the OP post.
You were pushing Ozgin over an actual Citizen claim, based on what you read in the OP post.
I was pushing Ozgin over what I read as a fake-Citizen claim, since the OP post would be the only way scum-Ozgin would have access to town Flavor.
Correct me if I'm wrong?

Essentially, this paints you as either a Town PR or Scum-sided, with a lean towards the latter.

But yeah, this also might be me way overthinking things and

considering things solely from my PoV as a basis of understanding

.
I'm sure I'll lose town-points with the critics who can't understand what the fuck I'm trying to convey here.

P-EDIT:
D'oh. Okay. Forget literally everything I said. If the site-meta of your site defaults to Citizen as VT, then nevermind. I'll actually bold where I'm wrong. I've got a site-specific PoV, which is why Citizen stuck out to me.
D'okay.
You're off the hook, Titus.
Do you have any questions for me?

Varsoon · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:41 pm

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Look, yeah, I'm cool with this as well.
Dude's been lurking out and the only contributions have been decrying other players and egoposts.

Titus · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:43 pm

Yeah, thoughts on the last few pages of shitstorm?

On PB, don't see scum or town so a wagon there is not bad. It reminds me of the game cheetory modded.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:46 pm

Hell yeah.
Operation-Get-Prolapsed-Doing-More-Than-Snarky-Bullshit-Or-He-Dies is a-go!

Varsoon · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:52 pm

It's all rubbish.
I don't buy the Dragonspawn/Boon thing but that'll sort itself out.
I didn't buy RC's dayvig and I don't think the reactions to it are genuine in belief of it either.
I'd be far less skeptical of everything if scum didn't have daychat.

dragonspawn · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:00 pm

In post 876, Titus wrote:
In post 873, dragonspawn wrote:Maybe you should look up our roles

So you were serious about you and boon being best friends?

You thought we were lying?

It's not like we didn't leave a lot of crumbs.

Egg · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:00 pm

Anen, ok. I think we define posting style differently, but I understand what you are saying about it. Also pretty sure I remember Varsoon lurking as town twice. This feels like a new Varsoon regardless of his alignment. I think I see what you mean about the more active scumhunters exposing themselves too. They open themselves up to being polarizing figures who end up lynched or NK'd so it isn't a safe play. Is that basically where you are going with that? If so, take Titus. Can you picture her playing any other way? Why don't you think I'd question you as scum? That comment felt weird to me.

Boon, would you really describe Anen's play as "cruising" right now? Has he done anything that fits his scum meta so far? Are you familiar with his town meta?

Varsoon, I caught on a quick skim earlier that you claimed a neighborhood. Why, on Page 33, did you say you want to scumhunt in the other neighborhood specifically? Why exclude your own neighborhood?

Anen wrote: It would be much more beneficial for a scum to (1) push an existing wagon with our without providing any reasons, (2) make as few interactions as they can, maybe even lurking, (3) insta-attack a player without talking to him/her but making sure that the wagon never gets close to lynch or (4) as a special case of (3), Chainsaw someone.Instead of these, what did Egg do? He asked questions from quite a few players, including me, who's neither too significant now, nor amongst the "common scumreads". (As far as I remember, I'm generally in the null-town zone.) Would it make sense from a scum-Egg? Sure, he may get some town credit for it but a gameplay like this doesn't move the game into a scum-favoured direction (framing players or going for mislynches/other scumfaction lynches). That's not much. Would it make sense from a town-Egg? Absolutely; he seems to be into sorting out as many players as he can

Well. Your conclusion is right but this is still flawed logic. Your #1 ignores the fact that I am voting Ozgin. #2 and 4 ignore the fact that I don't lurk strategically or chainsaw. And 3 is also something I don't do. I don't think you've ever seen my scum game if I'm remembering correctly, so these wrong meta assumptions are weird to me.

I can't stay awake. I'll start at Page 35 tomorrow.

Boonskiies · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Mon May 18, 2015 6:04 pm

No, I wouldn't. But I felt Aneninen was one of the few people to pick up on the fact Dragon and I are confirmed town best friends. If I had died in the night, Aneninen would be the one to blame. I actually like that there are doubters. means I might not get night killed.

@RC - sorry that i stopped posting for like an hour...geesh.