Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA

[Bins]

but i should hammer

im not much of a detriment to the town if i get killed (if his power is some sort of supersainty thing)

but i am town

[Wanderer-nl]

Hi Bins, how nice of you to join us again. I think I agree actually on lynching mcmenno.

I'm inclined to not believe shos' claim for reasons I have already posted, but even if he's supersaint, town has ways to come back. Since mod also just confirmed there are no bastard-elements (though rez'ing could be debatable) , rez'ed town should come back same allignment. That's a conf-town right there. I don't want to speculate anymore about this because I don't want scum to get any clues whatsoever to rez'ing or who could do it. But that's where my thoughts are right now.

Mcmenno will have to die at some point. He's 3rd party no matter what his role, his wincon isn't town-alligned. Are we willing to leave him hanging and hope for scum to kill him? I agree with Ric here; Mcmenno stays 3rd party after dying, he just wins when the faction that hammered him loses. His allignment doesn't change, only his wincon does. I'm not really sure if that's also considered a bastard-element actually.. Mcmenno doesn't seem like much of a threat right now so we could just leave him for last. On the other hand, scum won't kill him either so there is a good chance of being stuck in lylo with him and mcmenno hasn't really shown signs of being much involved so that's going to be a problem.

We know mcmenno is not town-alligned, but he's barely a threat. I feel shos isn't trying to cooperate and mostly just causing confusement, those are scumtraits. I'd rather lynch shos today, but I could go back to mcmenno as well.

I like Bins' offer to hammer, as hated she'd deserve a PL anyway so that'd save us a day. But Bins claimed she isn't hated anymore in lylo, and I'm just too paranoid to believe that 100% right now. Since we get full role-flips, she might be a good one to rez and have confirmed. I have a reasonable townread on elusive and a slight one on Ric (mostly because his 1v1 with Flubber earlier) Bins' offer felt good, but she's still closest to null for me. And even if shos is lying, at least the hammerer was willing to hammer so there's that.

[Bins]

im semi-vla! out of town. back on sunday :3

[Drixx]

The problem with leaving McMenno alive is that he is doing exactly what he needs to do to meet his win condition. He just needs to fool us into letting him live into end game and then he just votes with scum and he wins. There's a reason that survivors are viewed as policy lynches. Add onto that his bullshit claim, and he just needs to die.

@snscompt1 - You wouldn't think a short V/LA would throw me off my style so easily, but it has. Feel free to look at my sitewide activity. I'll get caught up and back to my usual self. This is the first time I've ever had to go fully off site for a few days and it has been disorienting, to say the least, trying to get back into the groove of things.

[Drixx]

I have no idea why the forum combined two drafts into a single post. I will preview going forward to avoid that. Apologies.

[McMenno]

Oh gee look ... the mod just confirmed what I said days ago. Can we just invoke Lynch All Liars now?

The problem with leaving McMenno alive is that he is doing exactly what he needs to do to meet his win condition. He just needs to fool us into letting him live into end game and then he just votes with scum and he wins. There's a reason that survivors are viewed as policy lynches. Add onto that his bullshit claim, and he just needs to die.

@snscompt1 - You wouldn't think a short V/LA would throw me off my style so easily, but it has. Feel free to look at my sitewide activity. I'll get caught up and back to my usual self. This is the first time I've ever had to go fully off site for a few days and it has been disorienting, to say the least, trying to get back into the groove of things.

...Are you seriously adding "Lynch All Liars" to you list of why we should lynch me? Like, really? For one, I don't think my role is actually bastard. The "Alignment Change", as you seem to like to call it, can be reasonably anticipated, and if it wasn't there, I would just lose, The End. This gives me an opportunity to win after I'm dead. In the most-used example of Alignment Change, The Cult, the Alignment Change CAN'T be reasonably anticipated.

[McMenno]

And if you still don't believe me, go ahead. Lynch me.

[McMenno]

But I still think shos is a better lynch for today.

[Drixx]

Maybe you could try and convince us that you won't just betray town in the end for an easy win. I'm not sure there's anything you could say that would make anyone believe you won't just follow the first vote in LYLO.

[shos]

"I believe ahos claim"
Lolz
I did not claim.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: shos

I like this plan. Hammer's all yours, Bins.

[Bellaphant]

(maybe mcmenno Should hammer. Unless I'm mistaken, two birds one stone, right?) if I'm wrong, I think ric's plan is fine.

Drixx, did you mean me, not sns?

[shos]

Lol Belle, I'm sorry but you're probably going to be lynched

[McMenno]

(maybe mcmenno Should hammer. Unless I'm mistaken, two birds one stone, right?) if I'm wrong, I think ric's plan is fine.

Drixx, did you mean me, not sns?

Sounds fine by me.

UNVOTE: shos

[shos]

Just get it moving will you
we need to decide who dies in three days

[ika]

Mod, does a change in wincon but not alignment count as bastard?

If a player retains ther alignment but has their wincon change that it still follows the said alignment it would not be bastard.

MS site may disagree on that but thats how i would define it.

If you would like to dicuss this particular thing/issue with me save it for post game

[ika]

vc

[ika]

oddmusic
Jeanne11
elusive:
Wanderer-nl
shos: Bellaphant, Wanderer-nl, drixx, Ricastle
BRantz
Derangement:
Drixx:
McMenno
Bellaphant:
Ricastle: oddmusic, shos
Bins

[Ricastle]

Yeah let's not lynch Menno.

[Bellaphant]

That's a prod for Jeanne and Brantz as well, ika

@ric, does my mcm hammer plan make sense? He hammers scum, wins with town, yeah?

[Ricastle]

Sure, we can do that.

[shos]

Belle, if mcmenno hammers, you probqbly die.

[elusive]

I find you really annoying shos. You are anti-town. You won't work with anyone and have made this whole day post the awesome vig shot into all about you. It's boring and useless.

We need replaces for oddmusic and derangement? Also waiting on more from Brantz.

Jeane11, I'm going to repeat my recommendation that you join the newbie queue. It's a good place to start out

Drixx, usually you have sensible posts, what do you think of the rest of the cast?

[McMenno]

Okay, so I get it, shos is Vengeful.

[McMenno]

Announcing this to all my games.

V/LA until Monday

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