Nightingale's Tale - [Game Over]

[lalaladucks]

Spoiler: wow stuff is happening

hah jokes I just wanted the pagetop

[farside22]

Well in my view with 2 days this should be less about compromise and more about who we think is scum.

Sukura and lala who are your biggest scum reads?

[farside22]

I will be murdering the Prime Minister of Malaysia in the next 24 hours.
As such, my presence in this game will be limited. I deeply regret this fact, although I am fairly excited to kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia.

So, it's been 2 days since he went off to assassinate the PM of Malaysia...
Pretty sure he's active lurking. Why not say anything if he's got nothing to hide?

Yea and considering I saw he was online today I don't disagree with that

[Sakura Hana]

Sukura and lala who are your biggest scum reads?

It goes in the order of Muffin > Natirasha > notscience > zmuffinman.
While at the same time i have townreads on (ergo not willing to lynch): Cho, Gaiden, lalaladucks.

[Sakura Hana]

Yea and considering I saw he was online today I don't disagree with that

Yeah i saw that too actually.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just here hoping FG prods him.

[Sakura Hana]

Although looking at his post history he seems to have been rather V/LAish?

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.14

Nachomamma8 [5] - Muffin, Katsuki, lalaladucks(x2), Sakura Hana
Kagami [1] - grapes
Muffin [1] - GuyInFreezer
Katsuki [1] - Nachomamma8
notscience [1] - borkjerfkin
lalaladucks [2] - Mac, Brian Skies
Sakura Hana [1] - Cho
GuyInFreezer [1] - farside22

Not Voting [5]

- Natirasha, Kagami, zMuffinMan, SXTLHGaiden, notscience

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

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Deadline is May 25, 2015, at Noon PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-05-25 13:00:00)

[lalaladucks]

Sukura and lala who are your biggest scum reads?

oh Nacho is defs a scumbumble (maybe).
notscience is also a good possibility, scumlean.
Natirasha doesn't have much in her ISO that could assist in discerning her alignment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so she's null.

I don't have any particularly strong scumreads but I think a

dip

flip for Nacho would help in sorting the others out.

[GuyInFreezer]

ooh am I being considered as a compromise lynch
cos if I am that means I actually squeeze a time out of me and actually read and do stuff which I'm not confident doing so with less than 3 days left.

[Sakura Hana]

Wagon 1:

Nachomamma8 [5] - Muffin, Katsuki, lalaladucks(x2), Sakura Hana

Wagon 2:

Not Voting [5] - Natirasha, Kagami, zMuffinMan, SXTLHGaiden, notscience

Wagon 3:
[grapes, GIF, Nacho, bork, Cho, farside.]
Wagon 4:

lalaladucks [2] - Mac, Brian Skies

Saving this right now for possible future analysis (In case i'm not around then)

[lalaladucks]

farside wants to lynch you GiF, whatcha gonna do?

Spoiler: answer

lynch the Hispanic food

[Sakura Hana]

ooh am I being considered as a compromise lynch
cos if I am that means I actually squeeze a time out of me and actually read and do stuff which I'm not confident doing so with less than 3 days left.

Why would you only do that if you're being considered a compromise lynch?

[Nachomamma8]

if you mean what i didn't like about your entrance, it's mostly the things you chose to comment on. for example, one thing that felt awkward about it was why you chose that specific post to quote - you quoted someone giving a bunch of reads and only commented on one. did you agree with the rest of the reads, or why did you specifically comment on the mac read? why didn't you address any mac posts directly? why did you vote sakura?

I agree that the post was strange in that it seemed like strange things to zero in on specifically, but it wasn't abnormal enough to send up a red flag nor did I really see any reason why that weirdness would come out as scum over town (although I didn't her reaction to being questioned on the Sakura vote by GiF).

if you mean what i didn't like about your reasoning for voting mac, it's mostly the lack of motivation analysis. the things you picked at aren't really scummy, even taking into account it's early times (aaand that second point doesn't even accurately describe the post you quoted soooo). like, why can't town scoff at a wagon? why is "defensiveness" scummy? how exactly do you address accusations without being defensive? why is calling something forced scummy?

I don't really see how failing to push for motivation analysis is scummy if the player doesn't generally do motivation analysis in general. I mean yes, I agree with you that the things farside brought up typically aren't things I look for when scumhunting, but I don't think farside would bring that type of stuff up unless she would also find it reasonable enough as town or she had a reason she could get away with it.

it is at least the biggest thing that's stood out to me so far although i'm kind of interested in why you disagree. what did you like about it?

I liked the aggressive tone, and I liked the shift from Sakura to Mac. The aggressiveness that I specifically liked was the bits added in #169 and #172, especially where Mac responds to one of her points, she acknowledges the validity of his rebuttal and then goes "You're still scum for X", which strikes me as something unlikely to be coming from scum early game. I liked the shift from Sakura to Mac just because the push on Sakura seemed like something farside would be more willing to let ride for a little while as scum; I generally assign an early game reads switch a minor amount of towncred just because it's generally inconvenient to form multiple fake pushes so early in the game.

i take it this means you believe cupcake's claim. do you think that actually fits cupcake-scum's style? coz i'm thinking either it's a fake claim or he's doing something totally different to how i'd expect him to play as scum here (which isn't outside the realm of possibility for cupcake-scum, i guess, especially if he read my thoughts on his scum game in the last touhou game neighborhood PT, but eh)

i kind of think his push on cho looks more like how he'd approach it as town, actually

I've recently come to terms with not being able to read Cupcake anywhere beyond "utterly terribly", but I'll read your thoughts on him in the neighborhood and get back to you on that.

What do you think of his more recent push on me? I don't think where he's coming from in his observation is unreasonable (last time I pushed him as town there was a considerably larger amount of energy behind the push), and it doesn't really feel like how he pushed me in Through The Looking Glass although, again, not really confident in my ability to read differences in his play based on recent failures.

why?

It didn't really seem like the normal, obvious-trolling fakeclaims that I've seen coming from him in the past.
Why do you think he's lying as town?

[Muffin]

Also either way tomorrow im probably going to go after any of these 5:

Not Voting [5] - Natirasha, Kagami, zMuffinMan, SXTLHGaiden, notscience

Because there's literally no reason to not be voting on Day 1 when information is the most important thing that's necessary.

Pssst: one of those people you are thinking of attacking is the same guy you allegedly have a 110% accurate town read on.

[Muffin]

I have a good feeling about lynching Nacho.

There is no good reason not to lynch someone today.

plainmuffin doesn't look like scum.

I agree with you about plainmuffin.
And
Let's have a fun moment if you don't mind.

Vote: gif

I can get on board this train.

VOTE: gif

[GuyInFreezer]

ooh am I being considered as a compromise lynch
cos if I am that means I actually squeeze a time out of me and actually read and do stuff which I'm not confident doing so with less than 3 days left.

Why would you only do that if you're being considered a compromise lynch?

I mean I could do it too if I get lynched thinking I'm scum but if that actually happens considering the game state and everything then welp

[Sakura Hana]

Also either way tomorrow im probably going to go after any of these 5:

Not Voting [5] - Natirasha, Kagami, zMuffinMan, SXTLHGaiden, notscience

Because there's literally no reason to not be voting on Day 1 when information is the most important thing that's necessary.

Pssst: one of those people you are thinking of attacking is the same guy you allegedly have a 110% accurate town read on.

I have a good feeling about lynching Nacho.

There is no good reason not to lynch someone today.

plainmuffin doesn't look like scum.

I agree with you about plainmuffin.
And
Let's have a fun moment if you don't mind.

Vote: gif

I can get on board this train.

VOTE: gif

Why is this thing still breathing....

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, the ammount of reaching in his posts reach astronomical values, and no one seems to fricken care just because "WHY WOULD SCUM ACT LIKE THEY DONT CARE IF THEY ARE LYNCHED HMMM?!!!" And then scum Muffin will steamroll us until endgame and it wont be my fault.

[Sakura Hana]

@GIF: I can see what you mean about large themes now...

[Nachomamma8]

The assumptions I'm making is that Cho is telling the truth and Katsuki's role as scum makes sense while both roles existing as town does not.

I guess I take umbrage at basing your biggest push on this and very little to do with anything Katsuki's really done (other than what I consider fluffposting). I don't know what claims are true and what ones aren't (as I said, I

partially

believe Cho's claim) but I feel that this is an incredibly rigid view of the gamestate given how much hypothetical-town-Nacho should actually know at this point, and this is coming from someone who likes to smell test claims for balance in general.

I'm backing off because you asked me to but it still bothers me after a night to think it over.

Show me what you mean when you say Katsuki's done this before.

The part that particularly doesn't make sense to me is that you have an issue with my biggest push having a lot to do with a prediction on how the setup is set up as opposed to play when we are very earlygame and no one has really done anything particularly alignment-indicative (at least during the point where I'm writing thing). I don't understand why you think I have a rigid view of the gamestate based on a push that I'm making based on current beliefs (which, contrary to popular belief, are not completely set in stone, they are just what I believe currently). It's not like I believe absolutely nothing else has a reasonable chance of being true. I don't understand why scum!me would have less information than I currently have, that actually doesn't make any sense.

As for the "done this before" comment, this is the style of push that I'm referring to. Katsuki makes a weak push, people start to pick up on it, Katsuki makes it a complete push. I fully believe that if Katsuki was scum and people followed him on his Cho suspicion, he would have pushed it a lot farther than he ended up pushing it.

I see typically a lot of town react to votes vs scum that non react or scoff at things.

Did you originally notice that Mac was talking about the wagon on himself? I thought your initial response to his rebuttal implied that you didn't.

Why would scum-brian claim D5 IC under very little pressure?

Dunno, but he clearly didn't read the OP, otherwise he'd have gone for a more credible fake claim.

I don't really understand this. Am I missing something obvious? :/

[Sakura Hana]

Muffin's probably scum that jumped off the Nacho wagon to not be blamed for the mislynch.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't really understand this. Am I missing something obvious? :/

There are three Alices in this game. At least one of them is aligned with Town.

Nightingale is aligned with Town.

Are you telling me that on top of that we have a D5 IC?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh fuck, im gonna be late to training, see ya guys in a couple hours.

[Nachomamma8]

I sorta wanna call this town because for their first content post it's not that bad. I don't really agree with a lot of the reads and there's no reasoning there.

If you don't agree with the majority of the reads and you don't like the reasoning, why do you think it's "not that bad" for a first content post?

So notscience hasn't really impressed me at all and this is a pretty shit vote imo. Basically null leaning scum.

Calling the vote a shit vote seems like a pretty strong sentiment defending someone who really hasn't done anything yet. Why do you think Gaiden is town?

I don't think the push on Kagami for picking on posting etiquette is unreasonably at all; I would probably suspect Kagami if the push itself made it was more than just a feeler push.