NY 184: a help (done)

Kinetic · Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 4:10 am

In post 1022, The Bulge wrote:
In post 1008, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Scum won't kill me and I'm banking on that. Just makes me more dangerous

Any time someone says they won't get night killed, it's a red flag for me.

Hi, I'm Lostaway, and I have the consistency of runny oatmeal.

This is a good point. But RC should definitely die today.

God this is a scummy post.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 4:27 am

Everyone wants to call the bulge scummy but nobody wants to wagon him and idgi

Kinetic · Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 5:09 am

In post 1026, Flubbernugget wrote:Everyone wants to call the bulge scummy but nobody wants to wagon him and idgi

It's like you just say things without worrying if they are true or not.

Ankamius · Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 5:55 am

Hi Grimm. It's been a wile, hasn't it?

MattP · Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 6:02 am

In post 1028, Ankamius wrote:Hi Grimm. It's been a wile, hasn't it?

Just to catch you up Amkamius, you just got a town role PM, Im town too and am the only player pushing a logical scum read, and everyone one else is grappling with the effects of chronic acid consumption.

Gl

MattP · Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 6:13 am

(I meant that with love, no offense to acid users ♡)

Elyse · Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 7:01 am

In post 1026, Flubbernugget wrote:Everyone wants to call the bulge scummy but nobody wants to wagon him and idgi

I've tried.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 7:34 am

In post 1027, Kinetic wrote:
In post 1026, Flubbernugget wrote:Everyone wants to call the bulge scummy but nobody wants to wagon him and idgi

It's like you just say things without worrying if they are true or not.

Well the best lynch options right now are part policy lynch or an inactive slot so I'm not sure what you're getting at

Ankamius · Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 9:10 am

In post 1029, MattP wrote:
In post 1028, Ankamius wrote:Hi Grimm. It's been a wile, hasn't it?

Just to catch you up Amkamius, you just got a town role PM, Im town too and am the only player pushing a logical scum read, and everyone one else is grappling with the effects of chronic acid consumption.

Gl

Cool stuff. Can you sum up why your push is correct and the rest is wrong?

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells[/invite] now that I know deadline is longer than a day.

Ankamius · Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 9:11 am

Fuck you autocorrect

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

MattP · Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 10:28 am

In post 1033, Ankamius wrote:Cool stuff.
Can you sum up why your push is correct
and the rest is wrong?

Why does noone just try ISOing instead of asking this sort of question

Ankamius · Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 11:03 am

Three reasons in order of most to least relevant:

a. I was on my tablet and doing anything on that fucker is an exercise in frustration
b. I'm lazy
c. It's easier to get a read on you this way

MattP · Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 11:44 am

I'm so confident you'll be able to read me from my exchange with OS that I'll just wait for you to be on your actual comp <3

Kinetic · Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 11:46 am

In post 147, Bicephalous Bob wrote:

Official Vote Count

The Bulge
(4): MattP, Oversoul, Kinetic, Elyse

RadiantCowbells
(2): Jake from State Farm, Flubbernugget

Jake from State Farm
(1): RadiantCowbells

BROseidon
(1): VysePresident

Grimmjow
(1): The Bulge

Not Voting
(5): Lostaway, evilpacman18, BROseidon, Grimmjow, pisskop

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-05-25 16:19:05)

In post 208, Bicephalous Bob wrote:

How to Take Action to Stop War

Official Vote Count

The Bulge
(5): MattP, Oversoul, Kinetic, Elyse, BROseidon

RadiantCowbells
(2): Jake from State Farm, Flubbernugget

Jake from State Farm
(1): RadiantCowbells

BROseidon
(1): VysePresident

Grimmjow
(1): The Bulge

Not Voting
(4): pisskop, Grimmjow, Lostaway, evilpacman18

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-05-25 16:19:05)

In post 1032, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 1027, Kinetic wrote:
In post 1026, Flubbernugget wrote:Everyone wants to call the bulge scummy but nobody wants to wagon him and idgi

It's like you just say things without worrying if they are true or not.

Well the best lynch options right now are part policy lynch or an inactive slot so I'm not sure what you're getting at

I see 5 people who were wagoning him, but as there was no interest in going beyond 5 votes, that wagon died due to lack of steam as other options became available. To say that "everyone" is calling him scummy but not wagoning him ignores the early day wagon and is wrong. Hence, it's like you say things without worrying if they are true or not.

VysePresident · Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 11:54 am

Prod dodging until tonight. I'd talk now, but life. :/

Ankamius · Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 11:59 am

In post 772, Oversoul wrote:
In post 753, MattP wrote:You began saying that you wouldn't cry over a Flubber lynch and would support it if you had to, and that your qualm is that it's just an easy lynch

Yes... in a deadline lynch. Any lynch is better than no lynch.
A lynch on a VI/Lurker is still going to be better than no information at all.

VOTE: Oversoul

Ankamius · Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 12:01 pm

I'm on board for right now, Mattp.

You never actually answered my other question, though, namely why the other pushes were bad.

MattP · Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 1041, Ankamius wrote:You never actually answered my other question, though, namely why the other pushes were bad.

There's only one significant wagon right now, which is RC. I think, for the most part, he's been wildly erratic and antitown, but town-aligned, which I've said. I already said that and that I will not be voting him (or play another game with him on-site for that matter, but whatever). If you want my

extended

version of my reason, I think he lacks humility and focus and that's lending to a poor town game from him (regardless of the accuracy of his reads, which can be amazing but if you play an unlikable and overconfident game that turns people off, then it doesn't matter, you've played a bad game, sorry). I'm not going to vote him and play against my wincon just because he's making the game less enjoyable and trying to over-dominate the thread with self-centered histrionics. I'm just very annoyed by this point.

The ONLY thing he's done that's really stood out as scummy to me is thing from RC (Ankamius, just click on one of the posts and read the surrounding material to get a full picture of how it happened):

In post 754, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we please, please not do Oversoul today?

In post 757, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think scum sees Oversoul as a perfect mislynch opportunity.

In post 760, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oversoul is doing stuff that justifies scum wagoning him but I don't think he's scum.

In post 761, RadiantCowbells wrote:Everyone in my scumpool has expressed interest in lynching Oversoul.

That's good enough for me. I'm not doing it.

In post 763, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can we fucking not?

It was incredibly over-the-top and bizarre. I don't get why RC was SO pissed off considering we were just

pressuring

OS. It's not like he was at L-1. He had a single vote on him (mine), if I remember correctly. RC was shutting down us even discussing/pressuring OS. I don't get how RC could be SO pissed off about the discussion when shortly prior RC was, himself, voting OS. His only reason he stated for being anti-OS wagon was that his scumreads thought OS was scummy (not that they were even

voting

OS, just that they thought he was scummy). I think this attempted shutdown of discussion of OS was very scummy. The only way I can rationalize it is that RC is so melodramatic/overconfident that he really thinks that was normal-appropriate behavior. And that actually matches his melodramatic/overconfident behavior

all

game.

MattP · Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 12:58 pm

It was incredibly over-the-top and bizarre. I don't get why RC was SO pissed off considering we were just pressuring OS. It's not like OS was at L-1. OS had a single vote on him (mine), if I remember correctly. RC was shutting down us even discussing/pressuring OS. I don't get how RC could be SO pissed off about the discussion when shortly prior RC was, himself, voting OS. RC's only reason he stated for being anti-OS wagon was that RC's scumreads thought OS was scummy (not that they were even voting OS, just that they thought OS was scummy). I think this attempted shutdown of discussion from RC regarding OS was very scummy. The only way I can rationalize it is that RC is so melodramatic/overconfident that he really thinks that that was normal-appropriate behavior. And that actually matches his melodramatic/overconfident behavior all game.

^edited it a little to make it easier to follow

MattP · Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 12:59 pm

And writing that out, I feel moderately more OK about an RC lynch.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 1:17 pm

Vote me so I can hammer please.

Ankamius · Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 1:18 pm

You better be scum after making that statement.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 1:22 pm

I don't know why you unvoted.

Going to be awfully difficult to get back onto this wagon without getting lynched tomorrow.

MattP · Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 1:24 pm

I still prefer an Oversoul lynch.

Ankamius · Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Mon May 25, 2015 1:25 pm

Mattp is it connected to your scumread on OS at all or is it a separate thing entirely? I can kinda see scum doing this sort of thing to town (I've super WKed town wagons all the time), but the fact that it's more preemptive than anything is making me really iffy on that.

I'll have to read more context than just that page to see what the overall game state was, but I think it's more likely town if it suddenly started being a spotlight over everything else in that particular moment than anything else. This might be because I get a sense that RC is kind of like me in that he keeps tabs on what's going on and cross-references them to past stuff later on (I've made this type of mistake before, you've seen it. I outright claimed when I noticed a lot of suspicion being put my way out of nowhere even though the lynch was almost guaranteed to be someone else), so I'm not overly convinced by it.