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Post Post #3350 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:24 pm

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In post 3308, Rubicon wrote:I'd also point out that while RM voted KC on day two, on day one his posts were a pretty classic case of distancing while voting other people.

In post 1370, RationalMadman wrote:Klingon yes, he's very scummy to me but I don't know if he plays 'middle' even as town or if this is specifically his scumplay. I'd be willing to lynch him though, but would much prefer a Xen/Graf lynch as despite Xen being an okayish player post-replacement, Graf did not towntell at all. He made consistently no sense and contradicted himself over and over.

Klingoncelt is scummy, but maybe it's just her playstyle. He'd much prefer to lynch one of those two townies instead.

In post 1403, RationalMadman wrote:The issue for me with the Klingon BW is that the people hopping on it are all my scumreads or null reads.

It's not that I particularly townread klingon, it's that the people attacking him are all outside of my town circle.

Here he's coming up with reasons why KC might not be scum after all.

In post 1752, RationalMadman wrote:VOTE: bellaphant

I like this bandwagons for 2 reasons.

1) peace and rubicon are voting them and both seem towny enough to me.

2) If klingoncelt was looking for an easy bw to get attention off him, i bet he'd bus so when he dies they look towny.

I really hate the way he justifies his bellaphant vote by trying to tie her to KC at a point when he hasn't even voting KC. First it's inconsistent because his previous few mentions of KC have been about all the reasons why she might not be scum after all, but now he's treating her like definite scum out of the blew (to the point that he's looking for her partners.) And yet, still finding a reason to vote someone else. Ewww.

This is also p similar to how Elusive was calling madman scum but wasn't voting him 'cause her townbloc didn't agree with her.
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Post Post #3351 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:25 pm

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In post 3348, Nero Cain wrote:and I had thought that Rubi was softclaiming an inno on Elusive. I thought his post that said it was a fact that Elusive was town was a soft claim.

No I claimed in my second post.

I'm pretty sure there's one more unclaimed PR though.
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Post Post #3352 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:26 pm

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Actually there has to be another PR to explain the no kill.
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Post Post #3353 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:28 pm

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Your play is really weird if you thought I was claiming that but whatever.
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Post Post #3354 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:29 pm

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Here's another thing.

This doesn't guarantee anything but.

Grib, Rubicon, Nero, and myself are clearly trying to solve this damn thing right now even though we disagree on some people.

Dave, errant, RIP are pretty much cleared as it looks.

That leaves elusive, Peacebringer, Pisskop, Taly and Pointy.

Right away Taly looked to be contributing the most out of the bunch, Pointy was right there in lynching KC.

Thus we have Pisskop who'd biggest contribution so far was Rationalmadman actually having good posts at the beginning (though Rubicon does have some points still).


Peacebringer biggest contribution in scum hunting (from what I remember) was going off a vague idea that KC literally knew Ricastle's role and wants to lynch Pointy and myself to find the scum.


elusive's biggest contribution to scum hunting was.....well the RIP lead is pretty much dead. I guess her next goals are to go after Nero and myself? What has elusive actually added to back up her claims that me and Nero are scum, let alone a scum team. Where is the proof of her accusation?
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Post Post #3355 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:30 pm

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If I absolutely had to, I'd lynch elusive after the other three are dead, Vamp.

In post 3352, Rubicon wrote:Actually there has to be another PR to explain the no kill.


Wow, I nearly forgot about that.

I think they should claim now if they're one of the suspected, or if, say, a Doctor protected one of the suspected from getting shot.

Otherwise, if you're already being townread, eh.
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Post Post #3356 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:31 pm

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It's just. A really strong meta read, and I'm having a tough time looking past that.

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Post Post #3357 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:32 pm

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inb4 the scumteam collectively forgot to submit the N1 kill and coast on a fakeclaim
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Post Post #3358 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:35 pm

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In post 1402, elusive wrote:I've seen KC mislynched as town for foot in the mouth kind of posts


In post 1831, elusive wrote:Unless someone can make a coherent case on why they think she's scum, I'm not buying what's been "sold" so far on her. There is something slightly different here but I'm sure those with the ability to infer can figure out why that may or may not be the case.


i think scum shot Boons n1 to recruit him.
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Post Post #3359 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:36 pm

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That's an interesting theory.

And would make Boons' bussing of KC that much more hilarious.
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Post Post #3360 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:37 pm

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Boon did that to let scum know who he was.
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Post Post #3361 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:39 pm

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He did it a little too much.
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Post Post #3362 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:39 pm

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Also if the scumteam recruited him personally, he probably wouldn't have done that.
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Post Post #3363 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:40 pm

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Anyways Pisskop, elusive or Peace let's just pick one and go from there. Although i'd rather lynch in my
prefered order, i'm not completely against Pisskop first unless he can come in here and give solid reason why he shouldn't be lynched.
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Post Post #3364 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:45 pm

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In post 3354, Vampirate wrote:Grib, Rubicon, Nero, and myself are clearly trying to solve this damn thing right now even though we disagree on some people.

I claim bull puckey on trying to solve the game, you are locked on me, you are attending to nothing else. You are locked on me because I had the gall to suspect you based on what was a primary reason for Ricastle case on KC. Hey, I have not been on the mark... I have been useless, certainly. Folks think lynching me can solve the game then do it. Don't sit around pointing and waiting to see if others will jump on board. But have you tried to solve the game nope.

As to nero... he has tunneled on elusive and tried to shift to elusive in the midst of the KC run up.
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Post Post #3365 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:47 pm

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There is nothing townie about her.
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Post Post #3366 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:56 pm

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In post 3364, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 3354, Vampirate wrote:Grib, Rubicon, Nero, and myself are clearly trying to solve this damn thing right now even though we disagree on some people.

I claim bull puckey on trying to solve the game, you are locked on me, you are attending to nothing else. You are locked on me because I had the gall to suspect you based on what was a
primary reason for Ricastle case on KC.
Hey, I have not been on the mark... I have been useless, certainly. Folks think lynching me can solve the game then do it. Don't sit around pointing and waiting to see if others will jump on board. But have you tried to solve the game nope.

As to nero... he has tunneled on elusive and tried to shift to elusive in the midst of the KC run up.


Speaking of Nero, Nero do you agree with the bolded?
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Post Post #3367 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:58 pm

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that Ric had a good case on KC? Yes I liked it.
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Post Post #3368 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 5:00 pm

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In post 3366, Vampirate wrote:
In post 3364, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 3354, Vampirate wrote:Grib, Rubicon, Nero, and myself are clearly trying to solve this damn thing right now even though we disagree on some people.

I claim bull puckey on trying to solve the game, you are locked on me, you are attending to nothing else. You are locked on me because I had the gall to suspect you based on what was a
primary reason for Ricastle case on KC.
Hey, I have not been on the mark... I have been useless, certainly. Folks think lynching me can solve the game then do it. Don't sit around pointing and waiting to see if others will jump on board. But have you tried to solve the game nope.

As to nero... he has tunneled on elusive and tried to shift to elusive in the midst of the KC run up.


Speaking of Nero, Nero do you agree with the bolded?

that is my understanding of ricastle's case... you think I pulled my thinking at the start of the voting out of my ass? That stuck in my mind as ricastle's primary case...
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Post Post #3369 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 5:03 pm

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In post 3367, Nero Cain wrote:that Ric had a good case on KC? Yes I liked it.

No, i'm asking if you agree with Peace that Ricastle's primary case on KC was her supposedly knowing his role?

Thoughts?
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Post Post #3370 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 5:04 pm

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You sure are a fan of ellipses, PB.
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Post Post #3371 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 6:09 pm

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In post 3369, Vampirate wrote:
In post 3367, Nero Cain wrote:that Ric had a good case on KC? Yes I liked it.

No, i'm asking if you agree with Peace that Ricastle's primary case on KC was her supposedly knowing his role?

Thoughts?

I think it was a big part of it yes. She called his power weak and then avoided answering questions about it. Was it his primary case? no. His OC was about KC selectively scumhunting me and having a very weird reason to suspect me.

I am not sure where you are going with this.
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Post Post #3372 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 6:23 pm

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In post 3351, Rubicon wrote:
In post 3348, Nero Cain wrote:and I had thought that Rubi was softclaiming an inno on Elusive. I thought his post that said it was a fact that Elusive was town was a soft claim.

No I claimed in my second post.

I'm pretty sure there's one more unclaimed PR though.

I know this NOW but that's what I thought your "its a fact that Elusive is town" was.

We have 3 claimed prs and 1 dead pr. I think that we'll have
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6 town prs. I think 4 prs are too few so 5 is the sweet spot so I think Peace is scummy (just like I think RIP is scummy) but I'd rather not lynch him today.

My preference is Elusive for the day.
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Post Post #3373 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 6:29 pm

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like lets just pretend that RIP and PB are both town prs that makes all of

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leaving a POE pool of

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Post Post #3374 (ISO) » Fri May 29, 2015 6:34 pm

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but I'm also not super super high on Rubi/Taly scum so Elusive/Piss seem like the optimal lynches for the day.
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