New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[Skybird]

And yeah, I could post reasons. But then I'd get "oh that's not a real scumtell / that's not alignment indicative / if x is scum it's not for those reasons."

Then they'll flip scum.

Then next game I'll post a case on similar rationale and get "oh that's not a real scumtell / that's not alignment indicative / if x is scum it's not for those reasons."

At some point you learn better.

Seriously, I'm confused as to why you play if you refuse to participate. Believe me, I understand being reluctant to post a case on someone because other's tell you that your read is wrong because of blah, blah, whatever. You have to look at the source though. If you scum read player A and give 3 reasons and player A tells you that's not a scum tell/not alignment indicative/whatever, maybe it's because they are scummy and have no way to refute your case. If someone else other than player A tells you stuff like that, you have to consider if that player is a scum mate with player A or if the points you made are not valid.

Bottom line, if you are town you want to help town win. By pointing out things you think make player A scummy, you help the rest of town determine if player A is scum. You might just see something that everyone else missed.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whether my points are or aren't valid, I'm not explaining them to you.

Town don't understand them because most people play mafia with crap like votecount analysis and books of tells that are all gamable and wifomable, and that all taper off in effectiveness hard against better people.

If that means you can't read me and you want to push my lynch as scum, go ahead.

[RadiantCowbells]

I play to better my ability to lie and detect liars, and also because it's fun to do so in the context of a game.

How exactly does that relate to me being obligated to play the game by your ruleset when I have about as much respect for the way you play the game as you do for the way I do?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I don't have an issue with everyone not immediately being at my beck and call to sheep me onto whatever lynch.

But I'd rather you didn't assume that the way you play mafia is optimal for either enjoyment or proficiency.

[dragonspawn]

Makes me think rc doesn't actually have reasons.

[FA_Q2]

Like I don't have an issue with everyone not immediately being at my beck and call to sheep me onto whatever lynch.

But I'd rather you didn't assume that the way you play mafia is optimal for either enjoyment or proficiency.

Sorry but you don't get to play the 'that's the way I like to play' card when you are acting like a troll. Don't like getting called out for trolling then don't act like one.

The last few pages is full of you whining and flatly refusing to play. the very cornerstone of mafia is developing reads and giving cases on people. You might as well demand that we all play trouble but YOU don't use dice - that's just the way you play.

Nope - that is bullshit. Don't waste our time if you don't want to play.

[dragonspawn]

Btw if you want to practice lying and detecting lies, you need to do more than troll.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't vote the one town player that flipped, even once.

I did vote the one scum player that flipped, for nearly the entire day.

I daresay my success "practic(ing) lying and detecting lies" is going well.

[SilverWolf]

I still think Cheetory is scummy.

@bookitty Can you elaborate on this? Do you think he's scum and if so, why? 2347 was the first I saw you show any suspicion of him when you called the both of us tag team scum. You unvoted me but you say he's scummy. Explain this please.

[Bookitty]

Sure, but it might be the morning before I can do a real post about this; I'm working on a writing deadline and I'm procrastinating, but that might be more procrastination than I can afford.

I'll try to get to it later tonight, but please forgive me if it's not until tomorrow.

[dragonspawn]

I didn't vote the one town player that flipped, even once.

I did vote the one scum player that flipped, for nearly the entire day.

I daresay my success "practic(ing) lying and detecting lies" is going well.

Odd considering you were on my wagon most of day 1. If I recall even after it was established that I was town.

[SilverWolf]

Sure, but it might be the morning before I can do a real post about this; I'm working on a writing deadline and I'm procrastinating, but that might be more procrastination than I can afford.

I'll try to get to it later tonight, but please forgive me if it's not until tomorrow.

No problem. Tomorrow is more than fine.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't vote the one town player that flipped, even once.

I did vote the one scum player that flipped, for nearly the entire day.

I daresay my success "practic(ing) lying and detecting lies" is going well.

Odd considering you were on my wagon most of day 1. If I recall even after it was established that I was town.

Masons drop many similar tells to scum, sadly.

[Cheetory6]

Odd considering you think I'm scum.
And I'm not scum.
c;

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. The white wizard will know.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keep in mind that when I say someone is literally 100% confirmed scum that usually means that I'm prying a reaction.

I'm handling Kitz different because I don't need any more reactions. That slot is past reading.

[Cheetory6]

I'm tipsy.
Nothing is being kept in my mind tonight.

[dragonspawn]

I'm tipsy.
Nothing is being kept in my mind tonight.

Do you remember if your scum or town?

Can you tell us?

Couldn't resist.

[Cheetory6]

Where's the fun in that dragon?
Aren't you enjoying this constant guessing game of whether I'm 180ing it or turning over a new leaf?

[lalaladucks]

Have caught up with everything.

I think Bookitty is town now.

In particular, I see this post coming from town as more likely than from scum

You were not the only one pushing me at the time, SilverWolf. Cheetory pushed me on two points and when I disproved one of them, he decided I was even scummier. That doesn't make logical sense, and then you piled on (all this from my perspective). I don't think any of your points are good, and certainly they aren't valid since I know my alignment. But the combined mass of what I see as crap arguments pissed me off, so I took my ball and went home for a while.

I've returned with a much less fragile attitude since I've actually gotten some stuff done in real life and I'm not under extreme pressure right now.

[lalaladucks]

Dearest Annie,

I don't at all doubt that you're accurate in your reads. However, not explaining stuff only helps the dirty scumbumbles and we don't want that, right? I could find exactly five mentions of Kitz in your ISO, might you be able to give your top reason for believing she's guilty? Is it the tone/feeling you get from her posts?

[lalaladucks]

It's ironic that PB is pushing a PL of me when his contributions really aren't much better than mine.

Boonskiies' push to get rid of me is also awful and he's coasting on being dragon's biffle.

[Cheetory6]

Have caught up with everything.

Oh neat, then you should have a bunch of thoughts on a bunch of playe-

I think Bookitty is town now.

Oh. One thought. Well.
Are all of the rest of your reads still the same, or hwhat?

In particular, I see this post coming from town as more likely than from scum

Why?

[SilverWolf]

Have caught up with everything.

I think Bookitty is town now.

In particular, I see this post coming from town as more likely than from scum

You were not the only one pushing me at the time, SilverWolf. Cheetory pushed me on two points and when I disproved one of them, he decided I was even scummier. That doesn't make logical sense, and then you piled on (all this from my perspective). I don't think any of your points are good, and certainly they aren't valid since I know my alignment. But the combined mass of what I see as crap arguments pissed me off, so I took my ball and went home for a while.

I've returned with a much less fragile attitude since I've actually gotten some stuff done in real life and I'm not under extreme pressure right now.

Explain how this is more likely to come from town than scum here. Can no one else please comment on this until lala answers?

[lalaladucks]

Oh. One thought. Well.

Hey.

Blatant misrep.
I obviously directly mentioned three separate players and even indirectly named a fourth. The injustice around here, ugh.

Are all of the rest of your reads still the same, or hwhat?

Pretty much.

Why?

Will answer with response to SW.