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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:04 pm

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In post 124, Mikazuki wrote:What.

Domino and Boon hadn't posted either at that point, does he have a reason to pick you over them?

Vote with no useful comment on the easiest target right now? Nah, I don't like it either.

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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:35 pm

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I am not a fire type.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:13 pm

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In post 114, Nyankotachi wrote:Okay, I was under the impression that Kari was a new player who didn't understand RVS or something, hence the weird comment and sudden jump off BBT. Since you're an alt, that's apparently not the case. Calling BBT's initial target an omgus despite him having a reason for it etc. Keeing an eye on this one :igmeou:

BBT's tunnelling is pretty typical of him, meh so far, nothing really catching my attention, continue as you will.

Prohawk seems fine so far. You're questioning McMenno's vote on you, do you see it as not random?

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Can you target Kari for me please?

In post 126, Randomnamechange wrote:I am not a fire type.

Then why did you buy the Flame Orb?
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:18 pm

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To give to someone else
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:19 pm

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Do you know how it works?

Does it inflict burn status on people who have Fire Pokemon?

Can they just pass it on to someone else?
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:26 pm

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If you have a move or item thatblets you give someone else your item you can.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:28 pm

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I assume they can still burn.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:55 am

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I'll admit I've played pokemon for years and am still not entirely sure how status effects decide who does/doesn't get them.

I'd lean towards putting the vote on someone speaking less. A bit scummy there.

VOTE: ZZZX

Pretty meh so far. Not going to vote Kira yet.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:06 am

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In post 132, Marcrell wrote:Not going to vote Kira yet.

Why not?
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:08 am

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Tempted to cast Ultima on Marcell ...
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:06 am

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In post 126, Randomnamechange wrote:I am not a fire type.

In post 128, Randomnamechange wrote:To give to someone else

In post 130, Randomnamechange wrote:If you have a move or item thatblets you give someone else your item you can.


Of COURSE! I'm so STUPID!!

1) Fire Types can't be burned. So duh, RM isn't fire.
2) The concept of giving an item to someone else makes me almost certain the plan is to use Trick.

Judging by that fact and the idea of rounding down from 12.5% health to 10% (pretty long way to round for a stronger Pokemon), I'm 90% certain RM is town, and I'm about 75% I know exactly what Pokemon RM is, without giving away too much in case RM wants to keep some of that hush-hush.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:29 am

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Isn't trick.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:49 am

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In post 136, Randomnamechange wrote:Isn't trick.

Well then, I guess I'm running out of theories, but I'm still convinced RM is town.

Switcheroo swaps the user's and target's held items.
Bestow passes an item to a target that isn't holding anything.

Both of these fail to explain the self-target, but the only dark or part-dark that can learn either move is Inkay/Malamar, and as unpopular as they tend to be, I'm willing to say it's not them...
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:40 pm

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Please Note
: I will be out of town tomorrow, and though I am due to return home tomorrow night, I do not expect to sign back on until Sunday morning.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:02 pm

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Yo Marcrell, there are peeps who have spoken even less than ZZZX. Take a look at McMenno. Actually, there is a lot of scummy/lazy voting behavior happening from a lot of people.

Initially, I thought that Randomidget might be scum trying to look like town having purchased a low costing item which is why I was asking about the item itself. Then A Simple Plan started talking about the probability of him
not
being Dark-Type-Pokemon and I kinda changed my mind. THEN I was thinking about strategy and was like... if scum are all dark-type pokemon, this game would be easy cause their special attacks all have status stuff that would be easily traced back to them. So I began to think about how the mod was going to get around all of the evidence left behind from attacks and started to re-read the OP when I realized that scum aren't bound to Dark-Type-Pokemon. They can be any type, which then gave me a solid starting point to get some reads on people.

A Simple Plan is almost certainly town for not realizing this as I took most of what his trying to solve this game dealt with trying to find who the dark-types were.
Marcrell and Rando jumped to the scum-side of my reads after I read:

In post 36, Marcrell wrote:
Watch out for item effects as well. Town could only buy certain items, people with ones costing more have to be scum, at least before some people faint.


Why would town-Marcrell say this in the thread? Why wouldn't town-Marcrell keep this strategy for scum-hunting to himself? He would be more than capable of watching out for item effects himself and revealing that smoking-gun when it presented itself. By stating this as town, he is at the very least alerting any scum who didn't realize that using a more expensive item than town would have been able to buy to not use it until it couldn't be verifiably traced back.

I believe that Marcrell was trying to draw attention to this type of scum hunting BECAUSE Randomidget purchased an item that was well within a town-budget, and was mod confirmed that he indeed purchased said item. He was trying to get people to realize it without directly stating it himself. Highly likely that Marcrell and Rando are on the same team. At the very least, his comment was pretty anti-town.

Top that off with a lack of strong opinions/attacks and a final vote for a weak/easy target. I think Marcrell is a strong contender for who should be targeted for elimination this phase.

VOTE: Marcrell
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:06 pm

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"
Even if we don't understand each other, that's not a reason to reject each other. There are two sides to any argument. Is there one point of view that has all the answers? Give it some thought.
" ~ Alder (B/W)
Target Count 1.03:


Kari (4):
Burn Your House Down, BlueBloodedToffee, Lucky2u, McMenno
ZZZX (2):
Domino, Marcrell
Burn Your House Down (1):
Nyankotachi
Domino (1):
ZZZX
Randomidget (1):
Randomidget
Domino (1):
A Simple Plan
Marcrell (1):
ProHawk

Not Targeting (2):
Boonskiies, Kari

Boonskies is VLA.
A Simple Plan is VLA.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-10 11:05:42).

"Dark Pokémon" don't have to actually be "Dark-Type Pokémon", just to clarify any possible misunderstandings.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:11 pm

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In post 124, Mikazuki wrote:What.

Domino and Boon hadn't posted either at that point, does he have a reason to pick you over them?

Vote with no useful comment on the easiest target right now? Nah, I don't like it either.


If you are trying to argue that it was a random vote between us three, thats fine. But it wasn't random in that he went eeny meeny miny moe between the entire player-list. It was a vote with thought and intent behind it. I can't answer on the reasoning as he himself isn't speaking on the subject either. Although I am glad you don't like lazy votes.

Also, I don't think it wise to end the target phase with attacks spread out. Ideally, we should all be targeting one, maybe two people collectively. Getting the general population's hit points down makes easy sniping for scum. We should get a more concrete idea of a narrowed target list in the next day to leave us with three days to hash out any last-minute items so we aren't making rushed decisions.

P-EDIT: Thanks Arceus for confirming my suspicion :)
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:12 pm

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@MOD
McMenno moved to Kari in 119
Fixed
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:18 pm

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Domino has been prodded, he has (expired on 2015-06-07 01:19:18) to pick it up.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:45 pm

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If Prohawk isn't town, I'm going to be very sad.

Uh... I've played multiple pokemon games but SP's analysis is still going completely over my head, I might leave the game theory stuff to you guys. Am I right to understand that since mod said that dark pokemon are not necessarily dark type pokemon, SP's conclusion that random must be town based on the flame orb thing is invalid?
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:46 pm

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In post 144, Mikazuki wrote:If Prohawk isn't town, I'm going to be very sad.

Uh... I've played multiple pokemon games but SP's analysis is still going completely over my head, I might leave the game theory stuff to you guys. Am I right to understand that since mod said that dark pokemon are not necessarily dark type pokemon, SP's conclusion that random must be town based on the flame orb thing is invalid?

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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:56 pm

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i forgot i take weekends off. i did so during the school year to bond with my sister and we still do during the summer.

therefore
v/la on weekends


dont expect to hear from me till monday afternoon
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:22 pm

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Sick, only 6 pages. I'll have time tomorrow night.
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:19 pm

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Wtf prohawk. I'm scum for buying an item that town can buy? That is a terrible idea. I never mentioned it until someone elsw did, so your idea of me trying to get people to say it is ridiculous. Also, guess again SP. Nyankotachi, it is less solid but still viable as he is arguing it also doesn't make sense for mafia to buy it. And prohawk, your attempt to link me to marcrell is massively reaching. And I disagree with yoyr theory about getting hitpoints down. I think that we should treat day 1 as kind of RVS and the few pages after, spread out damage and make dark pokemon play more defensively.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:13 pm

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You aren't scum for it, all I'm saying is it's a viable play for scum to make, and decently crafted if both you and Marcrell are scum together. What's your read on him? Don't take it as a personal attack, nor one regarding your play thus far. If your anger stems from having been caught so early on then completely justifiable.

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