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Post Post #3600 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:42 am

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but like Rubi said, we can just kill all 5 unconfirmed vts. I may or may not gloat when Elusive flips scum.
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Post Post #3601 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:46 am

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the only thing that makes me slightly twitch is that rubi said it was a "fact that Elusive was town" so scum with inside information?
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Post Post #3602 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:48 am

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or maybe I am wrong about Taly, idk, they've been pretty lurky at times. Like ok, lets lynch that but if its a town flip we are doing one of elusive/rubi.
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Post Post #3603 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:52 am

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Why would the scumteam shoot Boonskiies N1?
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Post Post #3604 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:53 am

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In post 3599, Nero Cain wrote:Grib killed Boon on n2. Having played traitor b4 I know that shooting the traitor is a way of recruiting them. I find a Boons n1 shot far more plausible than shooting a vt that was doing nothing but voting town.


Well here's the thing. RIP detective checked errant already.


If your theory holds up than BlueBlooded is scum considering he lied about protecting her night 1. 2 scum here so far in theory.

RIP has cleared BlueBlooded as town so if Blue turns up as scum RIP is lying. 3 scum here.


So here we have 5 scum in theory. RIP, BlueBlooded, elusive, Ika, and KC. And a mafia traitor in Boon. That's potential 6 mafia total in a game of 18 people. That's a third of the game players.

As for why they theoretically targeted elusive (random I guess), also joining on a KC bandwagon is counter productive as well.


Another thing is, Peace detects KC and elusive. If KC dies, elusive becomes mislynch material (which she would have if not for the Doctor reveal), if elusive dies than KC looks more townie and so does Peace.
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Post Post #3605 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:54 am

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Why wouldn't they? Like Boon was tunneling on scum so...
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Post Post #3606 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:56 am

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Vamp, its totally possible that Blue is NOT lying about protecting Elusive n1 and she just wasn't shot.
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Post Post #3607 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:59 am

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Yeah, but he was also pretty mislynchable.
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Post Post #3608 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:00 am

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In post 3605, Nero Cain wrote:Why wouldn't they? Like Boon was tunneling on scum so...


Thing is if elusive flips scum we know BlueBlooded and RIP lied to us. Alot of eggs in 1 basket. Also 5 mafia and 1 traitor seems like too much mafia in the game imo.

pedit: Nero In that case the mafia decided to not kill anyone. Possible I guess, unlikely though.
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Post Post #3609 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:00 am

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though Vamp's "there's no way that scum shoot Boons" is fairly annoying (and maybe, but a pretty big maybe for me, scum knowing that they didn't shoot Boons) but I'ma chalk is up to '15 horribleness.
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Post Post #3610 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:03 am

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In post 3607, Grib wrote:Yeah, but he was also pretty mislynchable.

Who are you referring to here?
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Post Post #3611 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:03 am

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If this game is normal and uses the normal standards for a Traitor, then

'A Traitor cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and is killed if shot.'

And if they're immune to the NK, they should be Bulletproof.

So.
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Post Post #3612 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:03 am

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In post 3610, Vampirate wrote:
In post 3607, Grib wrote:Yeah, but he was also pretty mislynchable.

Who are you referring to here?


Boon.
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Post Post #3613 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:04 am

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And when I say Bulletproof, it means he should have flipped Bulletproof Traitor.

So elusive was probably shot N1.
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Post Post #3614 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:11 am

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btw Grin I always thought that green avatar was some kind of alien with a third eye before I realized it was a cat (I think).
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Post Post #3615 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:13 am

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It's Buttercup from the Powerpuff Girls.

There was an episode where they wanted to dress up like other heroes (although Buttercup's inspiration may have been a villain, I can't recall).
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Post Post #3616 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:15 am

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In post 3611, Grib wrote:If this game is normal and uses the normal standards for a Traitor, then

'A Traitor cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and is killed if shot.'

And if they're immune to the NK, they should be Bulletproof.

So.

I think this game was reviewed & approved before the normal standards for traitor went into affect (which was April).
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Post Post #3617 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:16 am

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Wow, that sucks.
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Post Post #3618 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:19 am

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In post 3617, Grib wrote:Wow, that sucks.


Still if either elusive, RIP or BlueBlooded flip scum, they are all probably scum. If one flips town, they are all probably town.
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Post Post #3619 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:21 am

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I mean someone said that this game used the OLD normal guidelines so idk if the role of traitor was switched or anything. I mean I just find her to such a bizarre n1 shot. And remember my original reason that I was suspicious over her? She was calling RM scum but wouldn't vote him so she makes sense to me as scum.
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Post Post #3620 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:23 am

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In post 3618, Vampirate wrote:
In post 3617, Grib wrote:Wow, that sucks.


Still if either elusive, RIP or BlueBlooded flip scum, they are all probably scum. If one flips town, they are all probably town.

yea...no. Like Blue's slot still could have protected Elusive and that doesn't make him scum. Like those are two different things.
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Post Post #3621 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:24 am

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vote:Vamp
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Post Post #3622 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:29 am

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In post 3620, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3618, Vampirate wrote:
In post 3617, Grib wrote:Wow, that sucks.


Still if either elusive, RIP or BlueBlooded flip scum, they are all probably scum. If one flips town, they are all probably town.

yea...no. Like Blue's slot still could have protected Elusive and that doesn't make him scum. Like those are two different things.


It's possible Blue protected elusive night 1 and she is scum, but then you have to come to the conclusion that the scum team decided not to kill anyone on night 1. Possible, but unlikely.

In your quote I was pointing out how unlikely it was that any of them are scum. Possible, I guess the scum team decided not to shoot anyone but I don't believe it.
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Post Post #3623 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:31 am

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In post 3616, Rubicon wrote:
In post 3611, Grib wrote:If this game is normal and uses the normal standards for a Traitor, then

'A Traitor cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and is killed if shot.'

And if they're immune to the NK, they should be Bulletproof.

So.

I think this game was reviewed & approved
before the normal standards for traitor
went into affect (which was April).
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Post Post #3624 (ISO) » Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:34 am

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In post 2286, Shinobi wrote:
In post 2283, Ricastle wrote:
Mod: Are we allowed to know the specifics on the variant of Traitor used in this game?


All you know about the role is that it is a Mafia Traitor.

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