-I'll admit I'm not parsing through each and every thing in the Thor-Zoronos back and forth. Like I'm not clicking on links and thinking deeply about who's right about the various things people have said. I kind of feel like that's beside the point because I think the fact that they're arguing and the way they're arguing is more important than that. One gut feeling I have is that Thor is kind of pushing Zoronos to get him to look worse. As opposed to, like, feeling out whether he's scum. It reminds me a bit of the first game I played on the site after a long hiatus (Mini 1505) where Thor was scum and got in this big fight with Slandaar, who was town. But I don't really want to rely on meta here because I believe Thor is kind of known for having tricky meta. So what I want to do instead is go back and look at some of this back and forth, really look at it in isolation to look more for Thor's and Zoronos's motivations.
-BBT is really reminding of the town game I played with him. And the way he's interacting with Thor again looks like town to me. Like he's just responding very naturally to Thor's questions, I see a person who trusts themselves and distrusts others. And the questions appear to come from a place of lacking knowledge, in the sense that they take a step-by-step logical progression based on no information other than the answers to the questions.
-Not a fan of Shinobi's #582/584 where he says he's reading the BBT and Thor back and forth but he dismisses it as TvT. #587 is where he explains it, saying the points are reasonable but pedantic. Which just kind of seems like a surface-level thing and therefore sits at an odd angle to his unsolicited interjection that he is, indeed, reading it all.
-My immediate reaction to Math's #589 is that it makes me feel more comfortable with his slot because it kind of clears up question marks I had about town explanations for his voting and posting. But I can fall for stuff that I later find fault with so I'll let it sit for a bit.
-I think CB's reasoning for voting abuse in #601 is pretty unconvincing. I actually find those two posts to be pretty consistent. The other two posts he mentioned are also things I do not think necessarily point to scum.
-At this point Shinobi's posting also seems very sideline-y.
-Did not realize Lapsa was ESL. That explains a lot actually. I think I need to reevaluate that slot with this in mind.
-I don't agree with the way BBT is characterizing Thor's "lack of engagement" with other players. He is engaging with people. But I share a view that's...adjacent, I guess would be the word. I think Thor is
focusing
on a few people to the extent of looking like he feels very confident in those players being scum. I guess whether it appears that that confidence is justified or looks like it's a pre-determined conclusion is how I will look at Thor's slot when I get around to devoting some time to it.-I guess plotinus's acceptance and self-analysis of using a collection of standard-ish MS tells/phrases makes me feel more like he's town. Because I feel like that would be something to be self-conscious of as scum and I feel like he might try to deny something like that.
and when i’m on the sidelines and not in the argument myself it’s hard to tell what it means, whether it’s just TvT noise or something more important, but if you look at what the other people on the sidelines are doing there’s some alignment indicative stuff in there. Who is sitting back, content to let other people clog up the thread, who is trying to draw other people into the argument, who is trying to pull people apart.
