MINI 1688 — BEES!!! — game over

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Ok, so I didn't really like him asking me to "address" RC's case on UT. It felt like a busy-noise request that he could use for fuel. It's a faulty request, as I'm sure you understand, since I'm not UT. Then trying to pick apart your logic to make you drop your townread on Tammy is sketch as fuck. Read what I just said about it.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

yeah except it was MS making the argument, to which you said it was inappropriate because it requires one to make assumptions about Glork/MS slot, which is not necessary for MS, since it's his damn slot.

i think he was responding to frogger?

who took the idea from you.

[Green Crayons]

1.

I obviously misspoke when I mentioned "Tammy-scum" and "Glork-scum" when talking to frogger. Do you have a point here?

2.

I was talking to frogger, not Sonic. Also, although if you want to make the argument that frogger was originally responding to Sonic, which somehow made me responding to Sonic as (which is convoluted but whatever), I'm also having the conversation while keeping in mind that RC has previously voiced the "why would Tammy-scum vote Glork" justification to townread Tammy.

3.

I refuse to believe you think

The point being, is that there are reasonable hypotheses for Tammy-scum AND Tammy-town to attack Glork-scum AND Glork-town, and suggesting that one scenario is more likely than the others requires making assumptions about how Tammy and Glork play in the particular circumstances of this game. I don't think that question is useful for discerning alignment.

is confusing.

It's pretty clear. The question can't imply Tammy's alignment.

[Marquis]

Votecount...

Spoiler: ...remains unchanged from previous.

(expired on 2015-06-27 20:30:00)

(Sat Jun 27 @ 8:30:00 PM EST)

VOTECOUNT 2.12

• (1)

  Tammy

  —
  Fro99er
  
  (0)

  ChaosOmega

  —
  
  
  (0)

  Fro99er

  —
  
  
  (0)

  Metal Sonic

  —
  
  
  (0)

  Green Crayons

  —
  
  
  (0)

  KayP

  —
  
  
  (0)

  SleepyKrew

  —
  
  
  (0)

  lalaladucks

  —
  
  
  (0)

  RedCoyote

  —
  
  
  (3)

  Not_Mafia

  —
  Green Crayons, KayP, Metal Sonic
  (L-3)
  
  
  (1)

  EspeciallyTheLies

  —
  RedCoyote
  
  
  (6)

  (NOT VOTING)

  —
  SleepyKrew, Not_Mafia, ChaosOmega, EspeciallyTheLies, lalaladucks, Tammy
  
  With
  11

  alive
  , it takes
  6

  votes
  to lynch.
  
  

  ---

  Awaiting prod response from: N/A

[Metal Sonic]

btw i am lazy to explain my townread on GC, i am going to call it 'gut'

hope someone can translate

[Metal Sonic]

Ok, so I didn't really like him asking me to "address" RC's case on UT. It felt like a busy-noise request that he could use for fuel. It's a faulty request, as I'm sure you understand, since I'm not UT. Then trying to pick apart your logic to make you drop your townread on Tammy is sketch as fuck. Read what I just said about it.

i see.

have you interacted with RC yet?

[Green Crayons]

Ok, so I didn't really like him asking me to "address" RC's case on UT. It felt like a busy-noise request that he could use for fuel. It's a faulty request, as I'm sure you understand, since I'm not UT.

Tammy certainly had a perfectly fine time addressing the case on Bella. I was and remain skeptical, but it's not some impossible feat. You refusing to respond to RC's case is more suspicious than whatever response you could've come up with.

Then trying to pick apart your logic to make you drop your townread on Tammy is sketch as fuck. Read what I just said about it.

Also lol this is literally the point of mafia: get other people to agree with your scum reads?

[Metal Sonic]

oh? you are scumreading Tammy?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

1.

I obviously misspoke when I mentioned "Tammy-scum" and "Glork-scum" when talking to frogger. Do you have a point here?

What? I asked you to clarify because I didn't understand the statement. No it is not "obviously", obviously, as I was confused and asked about it, and then you go "I dunno why you're asking about this thing I mistyped but didn't say I mistyped". So I respond by showing you what confused me, and then you ask me "Do you have a point?"

2.

I was talking to frogger, not Sonic. Also, although if you want to make the argument that frogger was originally responding to Sonic, which somehow made me responding to Sonic as (which is convoluted but whatever), I'm also having the conversation while keeping in mind that RC has previously voiced the "why would Tammy-scum vote Glork" justification to townread Tammy.

The initial argument for townreading Tammy this way was made by MS, correct. Fro99er asked some questions about it. You proceed to tear it apart while forgetting where it came from. It's not convoluted.

It's fuckin weird that you are creeped out by someone townreading someone else.

3.

I refuse to believe you think

The point being, is that there are reasonable hypotheses for Tammy-scum AND Tammy-town to attack Glork-scum AND Glork-town, and suggesting that one scenario is more likely than the others requires making assumptions about how Tammy and Glork play in the particular circumstances of this game. I don't think that question is useful for discerning alignment.

is confusing.

It's pretty clear. The question can't imply Tammy's alignment.

The only way to figure out a logic puzzle is to consider the possibilities, in this case being her alignment. The question goes, "If Tammy Town, then ...." and "If Tammy Scum, then..."

For you to then go, "No you can't do that," is silly. So yeah. You're intentionally making it confusing, and the only purpose I can see for it is that you are skeeved that a town core is forming.

VOTE: GC

[Green Crayons]

Bella/Tammy is one of the only two people I have voted today.

[Green Crayons]

omg RC might've been right

[EspeciallyTheLies]

btw i am lazy to explain my townread on GC, i am going to call it 'gut'

hope someone can translate

it is bad.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

omg RC might've been right

go ahead then. lynch me and see what happens. you'll go tomorrow. i have no problem with that.

[Green Crayons]

Do you see my vote changing?

[Green Crayons]

NM is the best vote for today.

[Metal Sonic]

ok


@ETL i disagree with your GC scumread but I will let you push because I think it is a beneficial action.

@ GC I see. Can you remind me why your vote is no longer on Tammy? What made you unvote?


24 + 5 hours left. so we will have to consolidate real quick. preferably within 12 hours. no lynch is unacceptable. just a public service announcement

[Green Crayons]

and

"It's fuckin weird that you are creeped out by someone townreading someone else."

just lol

"It's fuckin weird that you are arguing that <basis to townread Tammy> is not alignment indicative when you are scumreading Tammy."

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Ok, so I didn't really like him asking me to "address" RC's case on UT. It felt like a busy-noise request that he could use for fuel. It's a faulty request, as I'm sure you understand, since I'm not UT. Then trying to pick apart your logic to make you drop your townread on Tammy is sketch as fuck. Read what I just said about it.

i see.

have you interacted with RC yet?

minimally. he was only around for a hot minute, in which i tried to get a feel for his conviction on the case and whether it was confbias or scum. i did not leave the interaction feeling any better about him.

[Metal Sonic]

ok guys. its almost 3 am here.

i will revise tomorrow with the newer pages and input. thanks for the chat ETL and GC (and frogger)

[Green Crayons]

@ GC I see. Can you remind me why your vote is no longer on Tammy? What made you unvote?

Bulge's repeated lurkerdodge posting, kept looking like a good idea because of the stupid number of replacements.

I think Bulge/NM remains the best lynch because I'm pretty sure RC is scum if NM is scum, and I think the folks who pushed for a Bulge lynch earlier today (yes, before I restarted the push, so not including me) are likely town if Bulge ends up town.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

and

"It's fuckin weird that you are creeped out by someone townreading someone else."

just lol

"It's fuckin weird that you are arguing that <basis to townread Tammy> is not alignment indicative when you are scumreading Tammy."

Ok.

So she is your one and only scum read?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

NM is the best vote for today.

So.... "lynch the lurker b/c wtflol?"

[Green Crayons]

So.... do you have a point?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I do not believe that is our only option. I believe we can lynch scum today.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Your attitude is irritating me. I'm gonna take a break. I'll be back in a few hours and hopefully MS will be around again at that time.