MINI 1688 — BEES!!! — game over

[Marquis]

(expired on 2015-07-04 21:30:00)

(Sat Jul 4 @ 9:30:00 PM EST)

VOTECOUNT 3.01

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  BBmolla

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  ChaosOmega

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  Fro99er

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  Metal Sonic

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  Green Crayons

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  (1)

  KayP

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  BBmolla
  
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  SleepyKrew

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  lalaladucks

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  Not_Mafia
  
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  Not_Mafia

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  lalaladucks, Metal Sonic
  
  
  (5)

  (NOT VOTING)

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  ChaosOmega, Fro99er, SleepyKrew, Green Crayons, KayP
  
  With
  9

  alive
  , it takes
  5

  votes
  to lynch.
  
  

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  Awaiting prod response from: N/A

[lalaladucks]

oh hey, GC, you're here

lala also claimed 'backup IC'

do the scum not have fakeclaims or something? wtf

All day work meeting so I'll be online tonight, but not a big fan of the NK speculation. A bunch of WIFOM.

Ducky, can you clarify the twilight deal. Are you VT or Backup IC?

Don't really see NM as scum...he actually came to the defense of SKrew when the other wagon besides NM was...SKrew. I mean, that would be pretty ballsy.

Uhh.

Ducks claimed Backup IC, too... so it's not just about SleepyKrew lying at this point or whether he's telling the truth, it's about whether there are THREE backup ICs in this game?

That seems like a stretch. After reading, I could sort of buy the argument that two backup ICs and no actual IC would be a funny setup for the mod to use, but three of them in a normal seems very excessive...

I don't know which of ducks or SleepyKrew would be more likely to be lying, though.

Spoiler:

@NM:

In light of:

VOTECOUNT 2.19

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BBmolla

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ChaosOmega

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(0)

Fro99er

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(0)

Metal Sonic

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(0)

Green Crayons

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KayP

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(2)

SleepyKrew

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EspeciallyTheLies, Fro99er

(0)

lalaladucks

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(1)

RedCoyote

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Not_Mafia

(5)

Not_Mafia

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KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, Metal Sonic, Green Crayons

(L-1)

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(0)

(NO LYNCH)

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(3)

(NOT VOTING)

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SleepyKrew, lalaladucks, BBmolla

VOTECOUNT 2.20

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BBmolla

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(0)

ChaosOmega

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(0)

Fro99er

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(0)

Metal Sonic

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(0)

Green Crayons

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(0)

KayP

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(0)

SleepyKrew

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(1)

lalaladucks

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Not_Mafia

(5)

RedCoyote

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EspeciallyTheLies, lalaladucks, BBmolla, Green Crayons, Fro99er

(L-1)

(4)

Not_Mafia

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KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, Metal Sonic

(L-2)

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(0)

(NO LYNCH)

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(1)

(NOT VOTING)

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SleepyKrew

With

11

alive

, it takes

6

votes

to lynch.

VOTECOUNT 2.21

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BBmolla

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(0)

ChaosOmega

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(0)

Fro99er

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(0)

Metal Sonic

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(0)

Green Crayons

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(0)

KayP

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(0)

SleepyKrew

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(0)

lalaladucks

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(6)

RedCoyote

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EspeciallyTheLies, lalaladucks, BBmolla, Green Crayons, Fro99er, Not_Mafia

(L-0)

(4)

Not_Mafia

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KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, Metal Sonic

(L-2)

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(0)

(NO LYNCH)

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(1)

(NOT VOTING)

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SleepyKrew

With

11

alive

, it takes

6

votes

to lynch.

I'm all ears about your theory why you were not lynched yesterday.

Because to me it looks like scum didn't want to lynch you yesterday.

There wasn't really any clean opportunity for scum to hammer me yesterday, maybe they weren't around, maybe they saw me as more easily mislynchable in future days than RC

[lalaladucks]

DARN TURDUGGETS

[lalaladucks]

hit submit instead of preview...

lala also claimed 'backup IC'

Ducky, can you clarify the twilight deal. Are you VT or Backup IC?

Ducks claimed Backup IC, too... so it's not just about SleepyKrew lying at this point or whether he's telling the truth, it's about whether there are THREE backup ICs in this game?

That seems like a stretch. After reading, I could sort of buy the argument that two backup ICs and no actual IC would be a funny setup for the mod to use, but three of them in a normal seems very excessive...

I don't know which of ducks or SleepyKrew would be more likely to be lying, though.

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Spoiler:

@NM:

In light of:

VOTECOUNT 2.19

(0)

BBmolla

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(0)

ChaosOmega

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(0)

Fro99er

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(0)

Metal Sonic

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(0)

Green Crayons

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(0)

KayP

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(2)

SleepyKrew

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EspeciallyTheLies, Fro99er

(0)

lalaladucks

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(1)

RedCoyote

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Not_Mafia

(5)

Not_Mafia

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KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, Metal Sonic, Green Crayons

(L-1)

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(0)

(NO LYNCH)

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(3)

(NOT VOTING)

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SleepyKrew, lalaladucks, BBmolla

VOTECOUNT 2.20

(0)

BBmolla

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(0)

ChaosOmega

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(0)

Fro99er

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(0)

Metal Sonic

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(0)

Green Crayons

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(0)

KayP

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(0)

SleepyKrew

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(1)

lalaladucks

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Not_Mafia

(5)

RedCoyote

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EspeciallyTheLies, lalaladucks, BBmolla, Green Crayons, Fro99er

(L-1)

(4)

Not_Mafia

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KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, Metal Sonic

(L-2)

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(0)

(NO LYNCH)

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(1)

(NOT VOTING)

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SleepyKrew

With

11

alive

, it takes

6

votes

to lynch.

VOTECOUNT 2.21

(0)

BBmolla

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(0)

ChaosOmega

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(0)

Fro99er

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(0)

Metal Sonic

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(0)

Green Crayons

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(0)

KayP

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(0)

SleepyKrew

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(0)

lalaladucks

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(6)

RedCoyote

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EspeciallyTheLies, lalaladucks, BBmolla, Green Crayons, Fro99er, Not_Mafia

(L-0)

(4)

Not_Mafia

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KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, Metal Sonic

(L-2)

(0)

EspeciallyTheLies

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(0)

(NO LYNCH)

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(1)

(NOT VOTING)

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SleepyKrew

With

11

alive

, it takes

6

votes

to lynch.

I'm all ears about your theory why you were not lynched yesterday.

Because to me it looks like scum didn't want to lynch you yesterday.

There wasn't really any clean opportunity for scum to hammer me yesterday, maybe they weren't around, maybe they saw me as more easily mislynchable in future days than RC

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well if I was scum I had a good opportunity, was there when you were at L-1, but it mostly seemed like a lurker lynch for Bulge's useless nothingness rather than actual scumminess

[lalaladucks]

Don't really see NM as scum...he actually came to the defense of SKrew when the other wagon besides NM was...SKrew. I mean, that would be pretty ballsy.

He is.

[Not_Mafia]

I know you are but what am I

[Fro99er]

VT/backup IC joke aside, Ducky is laying down the NK speculation WIFOM and the if "I was scum" WIFOM.

Ducky, since you think he's scum, why didn't you hammer him while you were there when he was at L-1?

VOTE: lalaladucks

[Green Crayons]

call me crazy

but ducks ain't scum

I'm not really seeing who would match up with her*


In contrast, I think NM is scum

Final D2 VC had KayP, ChaosOmega, RedCoyote, and Metal Sonic voting NM. The only questionable townread I have in there is Kay. So I think NMs wagon was most likely all town.

Final D2 VC had EspeciallyTheLies, lalaladucks, BBmolla, Green Crayons, and Fro99er voting RC. ETL & GC are town. I'm thinking ducks is town. That leaves BBmolla and frogger as strong candidates for NM-scum's buddies. Which kinda makes sense when you look at their play.



* Wild theory: NM and ducks are on the same scum team


VOTE: NM

[Green Crayons]

NM, is BBmolla/Tammy/Bella scum?

Possibly, but they're not a priority

Explain "priority."

[KayP]

* Wild theory: NM and ducks are on the same scum team


VOTE: NM

Err...so why vote NM over ducks?

[Green Crayons]

That's literally an outlandish theory that depends upon NM being scum.

[Green Crayons]

Also

like

the remainder of my post?

[KayP]

Ah, I missed the footnote. My apologies.

[Fro99er]

@GC - So you're saying NM was at L-1 as scum, and came to SKrew's defense while SKrew was the other wagon? I guess so.

[Green Crayons]

Also, NM's answer to why he wasn't the lynchee yesterday doesn't inspire confidence:

There wasn't really any clean opportunity for scum to hammer me yesterday,

Not true. NM was L-1 for a while. ducks even chose to not vote him.

maybe they weren't around,

Also not true. Everyone was voting by the end of yesterday except for SK.

maybe they saw me as more easily mislynchable in future days than RC

The best theory. It's a perhaps. But it's a theory that requires thinking scum went for the long game and actively chose to drum up ANOTHER town wagon to duel against the NM-town wagon.


Also, dang NM=scum just feels right in terms of how yesterday went down.

[Not_Mafia]

Hammer at that time would have looked bad on lala

And by priority I mean I'm focusing on lala and KayP, who I'm more sure about for now

Leaning GC for final scum, I could see it being MS, his reason for scumreading makes 0 sense, but the way he's pushing me look town

[Fro99er]

I don't know. GC, I see where you're coming from, but I don't see how it "feels right" given how yesterday went down.

I mean, I saw NM defend SKrew, and I've never played with scum!NM, but I can't see him doing that. Except in the case of SKrew being his scumbuddy as a last minute attempt to save SKrew. But, SKrew's claim makes sense given that Ducky claims she was just joking, so there goes the scum!NM + scum!SKrew idea.

[Green Crayons]

@GC - So you're saying NM was at L-1 as scum, and came to SKrew's defense while SKrew was the other wagon? I guess so.

I note the irony that I will be repeating what ETL said about SK's play: it's something scum would do to trick town into thinking that they are town, yes!

Here's the thing. The "defending" NM did was simply point out the most likely role setup scenario. NM-scum could have fought against it, but it's really a calculated risk. If enough people (like myself) bought into SK being town based on likely role setup, then it makes NM look really bad. In contrast, if enough people took it at face value - whether they thought it to be the correct role setup, and especially if they did not (such as ETL) - then NM looks really darn good! He's not fighting tooth and nail for folks to go after the competing bandwagon! Must be town!

But, all it is is NM just agreeing with what I believe is the actual role setup. That isn't a big defense of another player. It's simply acknowledging the situation that we are most likely working with, and so it isn't some Big Thing that NM did.

[Green Crayons]

I saw NM defend SKrew, and I've never played with scum!NM,

I just got out of a game where NM-scum hardbussed his buddy D1 & D2.

Defending a town is not outside of the realm of NM-scum's play.

[Green Crayons]

If NM is town, I will be at a complete loss and will simply vote ducks because it's who NM wanted to lynch.

[Green Crayons]

(Or whoever else NM directs me to vote for.)

[Not_Mafia]

And GC's hedging on lala scum and linking it to me looks like an excuse to still 'push' lala but gun for my lynch, and chain my lynch to a lala scumflip should my lynch fall through

[Fro99er]

Hammer at that time would have looked bad on lala

I KNOW! I believe she was afraid to hammer because you'd flip town. I mean, she said she didn't vote you because it was a Bulge lurker thing instead of a you scummy thing. Then suddenly after the NK you are scummy?

This is exactly why I hated her WIFOM about the NK.

Either she really is getting framed

or

She wanted ETL gone and then was the first to react to the NK claiming "I'm framed!" so she could find someone else to blame, you being the most logical

[Green Crayons]

No

I just got out of a game where all three scum were arguing that the other three scum were scum

and therefore I fucked up LYLO and voted for a fourth candidate

that's where my paranoia is coming from w/r/t ducks

the only reason why ducks would be scum with NM-scum is because she refused to hammer you, but then immediately voted you today

[Green Crayons]

And GC's hedging on lala scum and linking it to me looks like an excuse to still 'push' lala but gun for my lynch, and chain my lynch to a lala scumflip should my lynch fall through

also

this doesn't make sense

seeing as how I said I only see ducks as scum if you are scum

but if you are not scum, then I don't see ducks as scum

and would only vote ducks (if you are town) if your dying wish is for me to vote ducks tomorrow