In post 1045, Cabd wrote:Xtoxm worries me too. Apparently from context itt he or she (can't check from phone while composing) is apt to do the regigigss effect with a slow start. But to not be voting at all is very distressing to me. Especially if Nacho is able to cute said slowness as the reason for his lack of passion and being very in the red on the passion-o-meter.
In post 1040, InflatablePie wrote:@mod: V/LA 17th and 18th again, as per sig. Figure it's safer to keep reminding ya than get a needless prod.
In post 949, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Since Marquis dissipated, all her replacements have been getting put on the chopping block, and unfortunately enough for me, I've replaced her twice. Don't blv me, then go do some research so you can prove me correct.
I haven't actually read the thread, bcus 'ain't nobody got time for that', but I am assuming I have 5 votes on me bcus she site flaked. If your reasons for voting for Marquis are solely policy, then I would stop, because this thread is really slow and we need to start discussing on a lynch that isn't PL.
In post 952, Chandra Nalaar wrote:This is pretty scummy.
In post 955, Nachomamma8 wrote:Really? If you were scumreading me because I've been lurking and you expected differently, I wouldn't expect that to change much based on my offerings lately.
In post 1048, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1041, Cabd wrote:So lets talk lufan shall we?
If you drop the vote on lufan and drop him for the rest of today, I'll drop my self-imposed post restriction for the rest of the day.
In post 971, Varsoon wrote:I really don't like how he came out of the woodwork to push the Marquis wagon once The Hermit replaced in.
In my experience, when someone replaces in, usually wagons on that person dissipate--it seemed like an attempt to keep that from happening.
Before that, Voided was voting Nacho, but Nacho's been pretty transparent about their play and I don't really understand Voided's vote there either. Felt like part of a sensationalist kind of wagon that cropped up on Nacho--at the time, the Nacho wagon was at 5 with Xtoxm, Bitmap, Profgessor Emotion, Kuro Matsumi, farside22
He mentions earlier that Marquis has been a bit all over the place, but the timing of the vote here (after Marquis replaces out, not giving any real reasons for the Hermit vote) reads really foul to me.
In post 980, Varsoon wrote:Nacho's explained his positions and reasons for voting in a way that makes clear sense. While his initial vote on me did not seem to have any clear intent, he later qualified why he was voting for me and made it clear. Since then, his machinations have had clear explanations. I don't find myself wondering why he's playing the way he's playing or why he's voting a player, because he's explained it and his explanation makes sense from a town mindset.
You said that cabd-town analyzing the game and cabd-scum analyzing the game have differences; What are those differences?
In post 990, Profgessor Emotion wrote:And as far as this game is concerned, I am probably the one here who can read him the best. I am the one who's played with him multiple times, and I'm the one who's witnessed his habits regarding posting and such. I think Virtue of that alone should be pretty much enough to invalidate any reason anyone else may have for cabd-scum
In post 999, Varsoon wrote:Easier answer is that you're just scum and you're affecting a read for one of several reasons.
In post 1004, Kuro Matsumi wrote:Varsoon-san please stop harassing Emotion-sensei with your scummy lies
Emotion-sensei gave you their reasons, you're just looking for any way to attack them now!
On other news, i didn't like Constantine-san voting their townread!
Nacho-san's scum too, his weird vote switch from Varsoon-san looks like they are buddies.
In post 1012, Nachomamma8 wrote:Maybe I'd vote Voided as well, probably not. I agree that his vote in me was sensationalist, I don't understand why he is townreading me, but I did like his misplaced pride in getting me to post content.
In post 1016, Profgessor Emotion wrote:and me liking him as a person has no bearing on how I read him in mafia. I'm more inclined to give him time to participate, then not but I'm not inclined to read him as town just because he's cabd for the same reason I'm not inclined to read you as town just because you're nacho.
And maybe not as intimately as others do, but I know enough to get a solid read off him via meta more at least somewhat realiably
In post 1028, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the replacement shouldn't inherit the votes of the person he replaced?
In post 1045, Cabd wrote:Especially if Nacho is able to cute said slowness as the reason for his lack of passion and being very in the red on the passion-o-meter.
In post 1047, Cabd wrote:Also can anyone make a case for the Marquis slot that doesn't include meta and does include morive? I'm having issues following the reasoning behind that wagon, it feels to me like its currently scum splitting mine and his wagons.
I'd like to burn those wagons to the ground and rebuild actual scum lynches from the ashes, but I can't do it alone folks.
In post 1048, Nachomamma8 wrote:If you drop the vote on lufan and drop him for the rest of today, I'll drop my self-imposed post restriction for the rest of the day.
In post 1056, Cabd wrote:Done, on the condition we revisit it tomorrow; I'm not going to let my non-supported strong opinions derail an otherwise productive session. Deal?
In post 1060, Gin and Sonic wrote:was punched with a pint of apathy
will bring the moolah later
~sonic
In post 730, singersigner wrote:Ehm...I'm too lazy to look back right now, but did you see any of the point I initially brought up about him? How did you feel he fared in our 1on1?
In post 704, singersigner wrote:@Xtoxm...you know what bothers me more than
spammy/fluff posters? People who chime in with pretty much nothing when they've contributed pretty much nothing.
In post 1059, Voidedmafia wrote:If this is serious, it's shitty and you're an idiot.
In post 1024, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1016, Profgessor Emotion wrote:and me liking him as a person has no bearing on how I read him in mafia.
You cannot tell me whether you have bias in making a read or not. Bias is something we are very often not aware of.
In post 1068, Ms Marangal wrote:In post 1024, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1016, Profgessor Emotion wrote:and me liking him as a person has no bearing on how I read him in mafia.
You cannot tell me whether you have bias in making a read or not. Bias is something we are very often not aware of.
I can say I have a tendency to make town-reads of any degree stronger/the desire to want to keep them around more often, and I feel a greater sense of loss when they flip town regardless oh how I was reading them when I have a more friendlier relationship with the people in question. I also tend to try and reverse this by giving them larger amounts of scrutiny.
I can also make a list of people of whom I am likely to react to in this manner
I'm probably going to shorten the V/LA by a few days, but it's going to be a thing because need to get back to an emotional/mental baseline.
also, got around to making this:
this post (29) Came shortly after my RVS post to which, he completely ignored which is ok, and to be expected. (NULL)
This post (31) bothered me because kinda sorta for reasons (I think) I explained in thread. I felt page one, that there was alot of things he was failing to comment on, only having done so on bitmap was kind of sketch. It also conflicts with This as well as This kinda sorta, but would also kinda make sense with why he ignored my vote on him. (Weird, possibly scummy. manipulation attempt?) Personality wise, It makes sense that he would deny feeling pressure when pressure is there. Especially at the point where he said he didn't feel it, because FHPOV there was enough emotion going on in the thread (mine, Bins, singer ect...) that he didn't need to add to it.
329 was also him trying to diffuse the the Bins Singer fight, taking a mediator role when it has nothing to do with him, or would affect him other wise. That post alone was light town ping for that
This followed by this and this later on was the biggest flag I had on his slot, and mostly why I pushed him. He even committed his old scum-tell according to him. I was right to push him here, originally however the ignorance he has on this similarity is glaring that it's hard to see coming from scum, and more likely to be genuine.
This post if true, and not a manipulation attempt via reach out, shows me what he was thinking during his our exchange and still doesn't realize that I see him doing the exact same thing he's accusing lufan of which most likely means he's town. Extension of them having similar play means that lufan is also town and that he is scum-claiming to some extent, if scum.
Cabd tunneling is always a concern of mine.
Read list
Prior to this point, it's assumed that I'm being scum-read by him and that singer and bins are both being town-read by him, more specifically bins. It offsets the potential WK/buddy set up that was going on here with Bins
I do question his Gin and Sonic read, however the jerk-switch he did with me, and the more subtle one he did with bins was more town and indicative of him probably mentally sorting people out while he can.
reasons show he is thinking, but there are also some holes there similar to the holes he had when pushing lufan. For example, I had unvoted but I was not yet actively de-rerailing his wagon at that point, just switching targets. I also did not do any derailing at all whatsoever before the readlist came out which is the more important part. It is also where you came in.
His posts while on the train are very pleasing.
In post 955, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Is this a "no, I'm not willing to expand on either of those things because I hate your guts nacho"?
In post 1045, Cabd wrote:Xtoxm worries me too. Apparently from context itt he or she (can't check from phone while composing) is apt to do the regigigss effect with a slow start. But to not be voting at all is very distressing to me. Especially if Nacho is able to cute said slowness as the reason for his lack of passion and being very in the red on the passion-o-meter.
In post 1066, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1059, Voidedmafia wrote:If this is serious, it's shitty and you're an idiot.
Why?
@Singer: My initial reaction to the wagon was that most votes seemed to have come from Marquis lurking and thus were bad votes. I'd like to actually read why people are voting Marquis and read Marquis himself instead of giving a terrible answer like that.
In post 1072, Cabd wrote:How is it that I, practically only posting from my commutes, am managing to out-content (note: not outpost, gin and sonic is a testament to that...) most people in the game?
In post 971, Varsoon wrote:I really don't like how he came out of the woodwork to push the Marquis wagon once The Hermit replaced in.
In my experience, when someone replaces in, usually wagons on that person dissipate--it seemed like an attempt to keep that from happening.
Before that, Voided was voting Nacho, but Nacho's been pretty transparent about their play and I don't really understand Voided's vote there either. Felt like part of a sensationalist kind of wagon that cropped up on Nacho--at the time, the Nacho wagon was at 5 with Xtoxm, Bitmap, Profgessor Emotion, Kuro Matsumi, farside22
He mentions earlier that Marquis has been a bit all over the place, but the timing of the vote here (after Marquis replaces out, not giving any real reasons for the Hermit vote) reads really foul to me.
So, I guess what bugs me most is that there's a lot of posts that look like they're making strong statements, but there's not really any vote movement until wagons get up to 5 votes on them. The common link is 5 votes and Profgessor being on both, but I'm more willing to chalk that up to coincidence.
inb4 Nacho calls my voice 'awkward' or whatever again.